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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by tobiasdorge »

digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

Does anyone know the general path to get involved in this? Perhaps its romantic, but this seems important, it seems hard, and it seems like something I can be proud of working on (as opposed to maximizing ad clicks). I'm just a SWE w/ a Comp sci degree, so what's the entry-point here?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by kkylin »

IshKebab wrote: post #111
Xeronate wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the main problem with hiring chip factory workers in Arizona was the factory just didnt pay enough for the long hours demanded. I looked up the median salary and its only 50k so I'm assuming it's not crazy skilled labor (e.g. brain drain). Taiwanese workers just seem more willing to do it.

I spoke to a Taiwanese person and apparently the salaries there are actually quite good, even by western standards (normal ones; not SF). The downside is they have very very long hours (996, barely any holiday, etc.).

Not just long hours right? Speaking to Taiwanese friends involved in semiconductor work (not TSMC employees though) it's the shift work that's really hard to manage in the US.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by pythonguython »

tester756 wrote: post #134
elzbardico wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

I disagree There is good and bad advertising. I'd want to receive ads for things that I'm really interested in.

I can’t relate to that. When I see a banner ad I find it obtrusive whether it’s from Bank of America or my favorite HAM radio company. If I’m in the market for a product I value hearing the testimonials of people in my life rather than an advertisement.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by bllguo »

whimsicalism wrote: post #96
d3ckard wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t disagree with the core premise, but why much more than Ukraine?

Taiwan is a long-standing well-functioning democracy and a core ally. On the other side, I also view Russia's grievances as somewhat more legitimate than China's.

in what sense could you _possibly_ argue this

from both legal and realpolitik lenses the Taiwan issue is fully legitimate. your country has done far worse to Cuba for far less. Even setting aside the historical context and the Chinese civil war, what is illegitimate about not wanting an antagonistic and belligerent foreign power installing weapons in an island mere miles off the mainland coast?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

elzbardico wrote: post #83
kobalsky wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

Because is fucking undproductive, useless and detrimental to society. Advertising is a cancer, an immoral activity.

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by someperson »

tobiasdorge wrote: post #151
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

Does anyone know the general path to get involved in this? Perhaps its romantic, but this seems important, it seems hard, and it seems like something I can be proud of working on (as opposed to maximizing ad clicks). I'm just a SWE w/ a Comp sci degree, so what's the entry-point here?

EDA software?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

kobalsky wrote: post #75
bee_rider wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a lot of US STEM grads have their skills wasted in unproductive fields, like the ad business.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

Stealing is raking billions every year as well, yet I wouldn't call it productive.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by hintymad »

zombiwoof wrote: post #143

Make America good at slave labor again basically

Maybe this is the discussion worth having. Taiwanese engineers competed to get into TSMC. Their management practically lived in the factory to solve production issues when needed. The local workers in the Arizona factory said the pay was pretty good per another comment. Yet somehow we thought that we were slaving the labors? What is the fundamental difference here? Personally, if I were a worker who could find just a service job that pays $30K a year or less, I'd kill to work for TSMC for $50K+/year and learn everything I can about chip manufacturing in my capacity. It would be proud to do it, and I wouldn't mind some overtime.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by someperson »

kureikain wrote: post #149
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

it's first step. you gotta do something to bootstrap, solve chicken-egg problem. From what I can see around me, the "made in america" is a no joke branding. a lot of pppl going tobuyjust because of that. and may even consider it as social status and their policial support.

The Purism Librem 5 phone is very expensive and unfortunately not that popular. Haven't met anyone who uses one yet

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by Gomer1800 »

tobiasdorge wrote: post #151
digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

Does anyone know the general path to get involved in this? Perhaps its romantic, but this seems important, it seems hard, and it seems like something I can be proud of working on (as opposed to maximizing ad clicks). I'm just a SWE w/ a Comp sci degree, so what's the entry-point here?

Your entry point is a masters and probably Phd in Electrical Engineering, specializing in some aspect of semiconductor manufacturing. It’s definitely not CS.
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