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It's not a system, you are just describing sentiment, people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google.
> people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google The reason the words "on hacker news" is missing from that statement is the karma system. I am describing echo chambers.
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Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”
sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukrain…
I remember reading the linked Dan Luu article [1] when it came out. It was much more even handed in addressing the question, in my opinion. In particular, he includes comparisons and analysis of specific queries. For some of them (e.g. “download YouTube video” or “ad blocker”) none of the search engines were even passable. That’s the kind of side by side analysis you should be looking for. The second point when peopl…
I've had a lot of experiences where I've inputted a search in Kagi, gotten crap results, tried the same search in Google and gotten the same crap results.
It's starting to feel like the internet is getting worse. Either that or I've been too coddled and I expect direct answers to my questions.
How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).
Try it! Kagi is the only search engine besides Google that caters to non-English searches.
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> people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google The reason the words "on hacker news" is missing from that statement is the karma system. I am describing echo chambers.
No way that people on a tech-focused forum like a technology designed for power users! Must be an echo chamber!
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If you use Kagi and visit any sites with google analytics etc. then you are paying Kagi with your bucks AND Google with your profile. Oh and you can use Google completely anonymously. You can't do it with Kagi. All your searches go with your billing address (but you can trust Vlad they won't ever use it to profile you). Maybe the aura of superiority from paying $10 per month for something 99% ppl don't pay for blinds…
It costs money to run a service. If you are not paying for that service, there is an obvious incentive to monetize your data. If you are paying a reasonable price for a service, that business can sustain itself without using advertising. Your billing address is not something advertisers can use to track you. Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police. But there are a lot of people w…
And it goes away if you pay for it?
> Sure, if you use Kagi to commit crimes you may not be anonymous to the police.
The "nothing to hide" arguments, gotcha.
> But there are a lot of people who do not want to be profiled by ad networks
And using Kagi helps with that how? You know that if you open any website from results, you are still profiled by ad networks?
> Your comment about "the aura of superiority" is dismissive and a little confrontational
I was replying to someone who accused me of being superior (because I know how to use Google? lol). Garbage in, garbage out.
> Even when quoted, I find that Google will often return results that partially match my quote ignoring the important part
As I said, if there is no exact match I see "no results for your search". It is a daily occurrence. It smells of planted misinformation, sorry. Considering you are a newly created account as well.
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I have and stopped. A few people said that domain blacklisting is the killer feature worth $10. Well, actually it felt like paying to do work and locking myself in. You need to maintain those lists, new spam websites appear daily, and it does not really matter if you use precise queries. Most people don't know that Google is capable of them and Kagi capitalizes on them
I don't use the domain blacklisting at all, encounter spam ~never, and almost always get what I'm looking for in the top 5 results. 1) Google now requiring special skill to use is a totally legitimate way in which Google is inferior 2) I'm actually quite good at Googling and know much of the advanced syntax -- still sucks as of a few years ago! Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this a…
I encountered spam with Kagi half a dozen times. It was labeled "trustworthy". It is 100x worse than just seeing spam. Having to pay for it just adds insult to injury.
If there is a search engine it will be gamed. What we need is not trust the algorithm but have a good query mechanism.
> Obviously people's mileage may vary, but if anyone else is reading this and hasn't tried Kagi: you should
If your searches are uncomplicated and you are okay relying on algorithm without thinking, absolutely. buy it for your grandma and set it as her default search? 100%. But if you are a power Google user, you will be disappointed.
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your explanation boils down to "russia is an aggressor and hence will aggress". i'm considering the context - so, my perspective is a little more complicated.
Like "the US expanding NATO" haha. No one is coerced into joining NATO, ya goofball. Yes, dictators who express imperialist ambitions and who fashion themselves after former emperors tend to engage in empire building. Ooooo so complicated!
I heard so many times how ukraine "invited the attack" by behaving in ways russia didn't like. Tbh I feel like anyone who says that is a potential domestic abuser.
While Kagi is not good enough for an advanced user I see no problem buying it for a tech illiterate relative. But that is assuming Kagi doesn't literally pay in some form to Yandex for using their search
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Try it! Kagi is the only search engine besides Google that caters to non-English searches.
Duckduckgo has a selector for country on the search results page, is this different somehow?
Note that you should select your preferred non-English language as your standard language in Kagi and not the "International" option. You can still search in any language.
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I have been using search for engines for 30 years, my queries are not vague, i put as many keywords and "inurl"s and whatnot in as i can manage. I dont use kagi blocklists. Google results for my specific queries are garbage. I am much happier with kagi. If you are happy with google, thats fine too. Perhaps we are just in different bubbles and mine are not well served by google.
More keywords does the opposite of narrowing the query. Unless you use quotes and/or other operators, it’s enough for the document to contain only one of your keywords (anywhere, including meta tags) to be a match. Hope this helps.