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I’m a wall st bro and I work with a lot of other wall st bros. We all use the subway to get to our job in manhattan.
NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
One challenge with your 100% logical reasoning is that it assumes wealthy and powerful people share the same priorities you do. Unfortunately, this is rarely true, and it often takes time to realize just how different those priorities can be. I’m all for public transit myself, but after 25 years in San Francisco, I’ve only seen it decline. That sentiment isn’t just mine—many longtime SF residents share this cynicism.
Oh, SF, the home of both some of the most powerful NIMBYs and the most outlandish "social justice" experiments. I feel for this once wonderful, poor city. As a consolation, I must say that e.g. NYC was also handled miserably, say, in 1980s. Despite that, it rose from the filth, and is now fine, even outright enjoyable here and there. I think that SF will also shake off its current insanity, and will turn back into a…
> Despite that, it rose from the filth, and is now fine
Well, except for the people being pushing in front of subways to their death, or lit on fire in stations. The subways stations are getting dangerous enough, even in "not bad" areas, that people are avoiding them.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.
So just exclude them from your civic thinking because you can't imagine them existing? You do realize there are special exemptions for this exact program for low income drivers? Perhaps you feel these shouldn't exist since it's already a luxury beyond them?
It's not literally zero poor people, but it's very few: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1d9sj6p/data_on_the_sh...
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
One challenge with your 100% logical reasoning is that it assumes wealthy and powerful people share the same priorities you do. Unfortunately, this is rarely true, and it often takes time to realize just how different those priorities can be. I’m all for public transit myself, but after 25 years in San Francisco, I’ve only seen it decline. That sentiment isn’t just mine—many longtime SF residents share this cynicism.
I don't live in SF, so could definitely be some local nuances I'm missing. in NYC, there is a pretty clear partisan split on the new congestion tax. the (relatively) red leaning areas are the loudest opponents. I guess having so many high earners already taking public transit might change the discussion.
Those areas are the poor areas. The rich areas in NYC are the most democratic.
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#155Congestion pricing can work to dissuade individuals from living in the burbs, only if there is controls on real estate to deal with the influx of people moving inward. The other benefit is an increase of mass transit usage, which is a plus? I personally took a cab from Newark to Laguardia at MIDNIGHT and it took 40 min to cross into Manhattan to get to the Queens-Midtown tunnel. Just a new level of traffic. Was fun g…
> I personally took a cab from Newark to Laguardia
I don't understand why anyone would ever attempt to do this. Was it truly the only option?
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#156They don't indicate what the "average" data before Jan. 5 represents. January and February after week 1 have lighter traffic than the rest of the year. If the pre-congestion data extends beyond the winter season, including week 52 and week 1, it can't be meaningfully compared until more data is collected.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The goal is straightforward: make driving more pleasant for wealthy people. Rich Democrats will claim it’s beneficial for the environment, while rich Republicans will call it capitalism at work. In the end, improving public transit isn’t really on their radar. And they rule the world.
Suppose a non-rich person needs to use the highways for work and can make twice as many stops during the day because of congestion pricing. Imagine a group of non-rich people who decide to carpool because of congestion pricing and end up spending half the time in traffic every day and as a result get more leisure time. Considering that a parking spot in Mahnattan costs close to $1K per month, most of the cars are dri…
Free/cheap street parking exists in Manhattan. A lot of it.
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#158I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.
I think it's highly unlikely to result in positive effects. I would be hoping that it only harms NYC economic condition "a little", as the best case outcome. This falls solidly in the "it sounds good but causes significant negative unintended consequences" bucket of regulation, like the rest of NYC's many regulations that led up to this point.
What are you talking about? It will have overwhelmingly strongly positive effects, while also raising revenue to fund stuff like more transit. Congestion charging is great and every city should do it!
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#159Congestion pricing should really be referred to as a "lower manhattan driving tax" or similar. It's a misnomer to claim it to be "solving" congestion outside of rush hours like 7-10 and 3-7.
It’s not a tax.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay now let's similarly post about every single one of the hundreds of people who were killed in traffic accidents last year in the city (including plenty who burned to death in their cars). That should be enough to convince you that no one should drive here right? Or is safety suddenly not a concern anymore?
People seek agency and don't consider traffic deaths to be the same as random assaults. It's for the same reason most people think they'd do well in a fight. They value their agency and assume they would be able to prevent it.
Pedestrians outside of cars don't have agency to prevent injury to themselves from cars.