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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by datadrivenangel »

ryandrake wrote: post #82
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I click an unsubscribe link but if it requires me to complete a survey or fill out a form, I just nix the tab and spam filter the email. I'm nobody's fucking admin assistant and my time is valuable: you know my fucking email and could easily add it to the think, or at the most, ask me to type it into a box if you MUST. Anything more than that, if I have to manually opt out of "types" of messages or whatever,…

Yep, I just spam filter the E-mails now. If that act adds 0.0001% to that sender having future E-mail deliverability problems, then all the better. If it's commercial or political and I didn't explicitly ask for the sender to E-mail, then it's spam.

It does! Reporting as spam will cause them to have issues if enough people do it.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by webspinner »

PaulHoule wrote: post #90

It's ironic but I was having terrible problems accessing archive.today when I was using Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1) that cleared up when I switched to either my ISP's provider or Google's 8.8.8.8. I was not the only one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38063548 What's funny about it is that as a human I get tormented by those things all the time but I have been writing bots since 1999 and have yet to have had CAPTCH…

Please do not use that term! I cannot fly! I don't believe in that sort of thing, either. I'm libertarian, and would rather not sue over much of anything! Especially something that would lack standing. Oddly enough, I haven't been interrupted by CloudFlare too much. I do use Firefox on Windows, but haven't gotten into Linux as of yet. Although it might be fun, I'd probably break it too much lol! I do run adblock, mostly for accessibility reasons. I don't want ads all over the page, when I'm trying to navigate. That makes the web suck a whole lot less! I do like RSS, I wish it was still supported in the browser, without an extension.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by SahAssar »

jeffbee wrote: post #128
casenmgreen wrote: post #126

Cloudflare works much, much better than Google - Google captchas for me, on Tor, are flatly impossible, always. They never let get through, no matter whether you get them right or wrong. You always get "try again". The problem I do have with CF is their captchas seem to require human interaction on the page, and this makes getting through them problematic when you open half a dozen tabs, and each loads a CF captcha,…

That sounds like a feature. Tor is for abuse, so you don't want Tor people hanging around on your page.

> Tor is for abuse

No. Tor is for anonymization. Some might use that for abuse, but that is not it's raison d'être.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by homebrewer »

shiomiru wrote: post #17
solardev wrote: post #2

You're collateral damage in the web's war against bots :( Unfortunately, I think the Cloudflare challenges are designed to filter out users similar to your profile... once you stray far enough from the norm, it just looks like a bot / suspicious traffic to them. Statistically there's not enough users like you (privacy-conscious Linux users on nonstandard browsers) for them to really care enough to do anything about i…

The sad part is that it's trivial to get around CF's bot protection if you're writing a bot (just use curl-impersonate and buy residential IPs), but it's pretty much impossible to bypass as a human if their magical black box doesn't like your browser and/or IP address.

It's the same for spam email, yet most spam gets caught in spamassassin rules that were written 20 years ago and haven't seen much improvement since then. Most bad guys just don't bother to do anything above the bare minimum. For example, I see lots of email getting caught in a rule that checks for incorrectly formatted pseudo-Outlook mailer header, which is trivial to circumvent if you pay any attention to it (the difference is in excessive whitespace, or a slightly incorrect "Outlook" version, or something like that).

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by wewtyflakes »

kachapopopow wrote: post #20

I have experience bypassing these. The primary cause of this is most likely any kind of 'optimizations' you have in your browser (or missing fingerprints). If you want to 'bypass' these I recommend removing any use of Proxy[1] (via extensions). You should also look into disabling any kind of forced backgrounding. Make sure service workers are working. 1: They catch Proxy usage by using exceptions and analyzing the st…

> They catch Proxy usage by using exceptions and analyzing the stacktrace

That is really clever, I am guessing this is why various browser automation companies are using custom forks of Chromium.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by SoftTalker »

scarface_74 wrote: post #66
Hizonner wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their problem. They are not entitled to make it other people's problem.

If I have a process that works for 95% of the people, why should I care about outliers who use Linux behind a VPN on a heavily customized version of Firefox?

By that logic, why care about accomodating anyone with a disability? Your site works for 95% of people, why care about those who need to use screen readers?

And before you say "that's their choice," you're the one who is breaking the functionality. Nothing about using a VPN or linux or Firefox creates any problem for TCP/IP or https.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by homebrewer »

jeffbee wrote: post #128
casenmgreen wrote: post #126

Cloudflare works much, much better than Google - Google captchas for me, on Tor, are flatly impossible, always. They never let get through, no matter whether you get them right or wrong. You always get "try again". The problem I do have with CF is their captchas seem to require human interaction on the page, and this makes getting through them problematic when you open half a dozen tabs, and each loads a CF captcha,…

That sounds like a feature. Tor is for abuse, so you don't want Tor people hanging around on your page.

No it isn't. I discuss politically sensitive topics through it basically every other day, because by doing it directly in my country you will quickly end up in prison. (No, there's no scarecrow of the day involved, just discussing things you take for granted in your liberal democracy.)

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by scarface_74 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #158
scarface_74 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have a process that works for 95% of the people, why should I care about outliers who use Linux behind a VPN on a heavily customized version of Firefox?

By that logic, why care about accomodating anyone with a disability? Your site works for 95% of people, why care about those who need to use screen readers? And before you say "that's their choice," you're the one who is breaking the functionality. Nothing about using a VPN or linux or Firefox creates any problem for TCP/IP or https.

One because it’s the law and two because the disabled can’t just make a choice and install Chrome.

However, while the site creator does have to meet the disabled halfway, the disabled person is responsible for having whatever type of equipment they need to make it work - ie screenreaders

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