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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by tw04 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

Perhaps if they had delivered a cheaper Tesla instead of a robotaxi that nobody asked for, won’t meet the needs of 90% of people wanting a taxi, and isn’t anywhere near ready to operate on public roads, the market would have expanded.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by freejazz »

FloorEgg wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #96

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It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86…

What issues do you find he is extreme on?

I can't imagine how it's not extreme to retweet any of the white supremacist shit I've seen him retweet

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by yumraj »

i80and wrote: post #93
lolinder wrote: post #65

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Not to mention that even if you can afford a Tesla, my understanding is that the non-Tesla market has just gotten much better than it was over the last few years.

For a while, if you wanted a long range EV you could actually cross the country with, Tesla was it. That's just not true anymore -- I'm coming up on year three with my non-Tesla, and it's been perfect, road trips and all. Tesla still has its brand recognition and inertia in its favor, but it's tougher for them when you can get equally good if not better cars elsewhere.

Which one?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by freejazz »

camhart wrote: post #100
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #89

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> nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it No, but it's obviously going to alienate a large swath of the consumer base, i.e. most people able to and interested in buying an electric car. > Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction It's the only reason I flagged your comment. Also, really? Do you think a speech is s…

> most people able to and interested in buying an electric car For what it's worth, I've wanted a tesla for many years. I haven't pulled the trigger because of the cost. I'm not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist. And when I worked on the West coast I learned pretty quickly that there are consequences if I share my political views. No clue how many more there are like me, but I'm…

> The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech.

I guess I should shut up about how stupid I think Elon is, I wouldn't want to offend anyone after all!

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by SoftTalker »

floxy wrote: post #128
SoftTalker wrote: post #88

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I think some of that demand is there in the US. My daily needs for a car would be satisfied with 100 mile range, allowing for a pretty generous buffer. I also sometimes need to drive beyond the range of an EV without wanting to think about recharging delays or possibly getting stranded. I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Even something like a Nissan…

>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less th…

I should probably sit down and do the math on elecricity vs. gas and the payback time, but for reference I am something of a bottom-feeder when it comes to cars. I have pretty good success with used ICE cars in the $4-6k range. I look for southern cars with no rust/salt damage. They are out there, but you won't find them on Carvana.

My current daily driver is a 20 year old Mercedes E class that I bought for $4k. It's a V8 and takes premium gas, but I average close to 20mpg and don't really drive enough miles for that to be a huge dealbreaker. With $4/gal gas I might burn $8/day with typical driving. That might be roughly 10 kWh in a Leaf? I don't know what the losses are in charging but if that's 20 kWh to recharge, that would be maybe $4/day? So I'd save maybe $80/month if I drive 20 days a month? That's all very wild guesstimating but seems like it would take 10 years to pay back the price difference, also considering that I could not really drive the Leaf on any longer trips at all.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by FloorEgg »

llamaimperative wrote: post #132
FloorEgg wrote: post #104

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What issues do you find he is extreme on?

1. The result of the 2020 election is a big one 2. Supporting Germany's AfD, which e.g. backs "complete closure" of EU borders 3. Recently started advocating for a far-right loser in the UK (Tommy Robinson) who has multiple convictions including assault, assault, assault, mortgage fraud, contempt of court, and use of a false passport to enter the US 4. Continuing to insist that the Twitter Files showed that Dems stif…

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by s1artibartfast »

secretmark wrote: post #21
jp42 wrote: post #15

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Most people's opinion of Elon, good or bad, is directly informed by his Xeets

I think the point is that they are informed by MSM and reddit reporting on his tweets.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by floxy »

SoftTalker wrote: post #155
floxy wrote: post #128

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>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less th…

I should probably sit down and do the math on elecricity vs. gas and the payback time, but for reference I am something of a bottom-feeder when it comes to cars. I have pretty good success with used ICE cars in the $4-6k range. I look for southern cars with no rust/salt damage. They are out there, but you won't find them on Carvana. My current daily driver is a 20 year old Mercedes E class that I bought for $4k. It's…

Charging efficiency is ~85% efficient. As far as I can tell, when it comes to used cars in my area, $10k is the new $4k. No way would I buy a $4k car any more, and I'm in the market for a beater for a kid's car. $4,000 buys a 2003 Toyota Corolla with 250,000 miles and 9 previous owners and some moderate damage according to CarFax.
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