> Enter 2024 with AI. The top 20% of search results are a wall of text from AI... I'll be the contrarian here and say I actually like Google's AI Overview? For the first time in a long time, I can search for an answer to a question and, instead of getting annoying ads and SEO-optimized uselessness, I actually get an answer. Google is finally useful again. That said, once Google screws with this and starts making sear…
Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s
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Either I’m monetizing my site and I care about traffic or why else would I care if people visit my site as long as information gets out there?
If I had a site (no time lately to maintain one) it would be because I wanted to inform people and contribute to the world’s accessible knowledge. I would want my information presented in context, accurately, the way I intended, not digested and reworded (often inaccurately) by Google.
I bet you if you had insightful posts on HN (not saying you don’t) and people knew you, you would get more traffic by putting a link in your profile here than people searching on Google.
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Hmm my search returns “between 150 to 200 mg per kilogram”, which is maybe more correct? Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting, something remarkably hard to do.
> Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. someone overdosed and died after incorrectly weighing a bunch of powder. doubt it is a big leap to someone dying because they were told the wrong limits by google. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60570470 as ever, m…
For my high-caffeine pre-workout powder, I suspect I'd vomit long before I'd get anywhere near. Pure caffeine is less unpleasant, but still pretty awful, which I guess is why we don't see more deaths from it despite the widespread use.
I agree with you that there really ought to be caution around giving advice on safety-critical things, but this one really is right up there in freak accident territory, in the intersection of somewhat dangerous substances sold in a poorly regulated form (e.g. there's little reason for these to be sold as bulk powders instead of pressed into pills other than making people feel more macho downing awful tasting drinks instead of taking pills).
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It would be great if it wasn't completely wrong 50% of the time.
Describes my general experience with AI across the board. Copilot, ChatGPT, Claude, etc. It’s like I’m talking to a genius toddler. With ChatGPT losing 5 billion dollars on 3.7B in revenue this is unsustainable. It feels like the dotcom bubble all over again.
I think it's closer to a well spoken idiot.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. someone overdosed and died after incorrectly weighing a bunch of powder. doubt it is a big leap to someone dying because they were told the wrong limits by google. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60570470 as ever, m…
> some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. At 200mg per pill, which is the strongest I had, I'd still have to down some 70+ pills in one go. Not strictly impossible, but not something you could possibly do by accident, and even for the purpose of early check-out, it wouldn't be my first choice.
it’s intent (want to improve my gym performance so down a bunch of caffeine) combined with incorrect information gained from what is supposedly a trustworthy source (the limit presented is much higher than it actually is for humans).
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Either I’m monetizing my site and I care about traffic or why else would I care if people visit my site as long as information gets out there?
I've had numerous people contact me directly with follow up questions about various info I've put on my website. Many of those have turned into further conversations and collaborations. You can't have that if Google is plagiarizing your site and delivering the info.
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#157Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm my search returns “between 150 to 200 mg per kilogram”, which is maybe more correct? Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting, something remarkably hard to do.
> Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. someone overdosed and died after incorrectly weighing a bunch of powder. doubt it is a big leap to someone dying because they were told the wrong limits by google. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60570470 as ever, m…
> The hearing was told the scales Mr Mansfield had used to measure the powder had a weighing range from two to 5,000 grams, whereas he was attempting to weigh a recommended dose of 60-300mg.
Nothing to do with an LLM nor with someone not knowing the exact LD50 of caffeine. Just "this article contains someone dying of caffeine overdose, and we're talking about caffeine overdose here, therefore LLM is dangerous."
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#159> Enter 2024 with AI. The top 20% of search results are a wall of text from AI... I'll be the contrarian here and say I actually like Google's AI Overview? For the first time in a long time, I can search for an answer to a question and, instead of getting annoying ads and SEO-optimized uselessness, I actually get an answer. Google is finally useful again. That said, once Google screws with this and starts making sear…
... unless you want anything like a perspective or an opinion on something, instead of a factual answer to a question, in which case it's totally useless.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also, in what context is this dangerous? To reach dangerous levels one would have to drink well over 100 cups of coffee in a sitting some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. someone overdosed and died after incorrectly weighing a bunch of powder. doubt it is a big leap to someone dying because they were told the wrong limits by google. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60570470 as ever, m…
> some people use caffeine powder / pills for gym stuff apparently. At 200mg per pill, which is the strongest I had, I'd still have to down some 70+ pills in one go. Not strictly impossible, but not something you could possibly do by accident, and even for the purpose of early check-out, it wouldn't be my first choice.
And if on purpose, using caffeine would just be staggeringly awful...