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Re: Introducing S2

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Help me understand - you build on top of AWS, which charges $0.09/GB for egress to the Internet, yet you're charging $0.05/GB for egress to the Internet? Sounds like you're subsidizing egress from AWS? Or do you have access to non-public egress pricing?

They’re probably betting on most users being in AWS and only having to pay 1¢-2¢ transfer.

They're also banking on scale to PPA with a specific amendment for egress.

Re: Introducing S2

#152
I had an idea like this a few years ago. basicly emitting a stream interface to a cloud based fs to enable random access seeking on bystreams. I envisioned it to be useful for things like loading large files. would be amazing for enabling things like cloud gaming, images processing and CAD

kudos for sitting down and makin it happen!

Re: Introducing S2

#153
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like it. I see it as ostensibly a product for engineers and so when I see a name like S2 it's immediately clear that it's a product led and conceived by engineers. I also see that on your pricing page - "We are building the S3 experience for streaming data, and that includes pricing transparency" Love the simple and earnest copy. One can imagine what an LLM would cook up instead, I find the brevity way preferable.

(Founder) Thank you for the kind comment! Yes we are not trying to confuse S2 with S3, we just think S3 is the best damn serverless experience out there, and we aspire to that greatness. We borrowed the structure of that name to reflect that aspiration, as have other services inspired by S3 like Cloudflare's object store R2.

I actually thought S2 is a Cloudflare service at first.

Re: Introducing S2

#154
post #54

This is a really good idea, beautiful API, and something that I would like to use for my projects. However I have zero confidence that this startup would last very long in its current form. If it's successful, AWS will build a better and cheaper in-house version. It's just as likely to fail to get traction. If this had been released instead as a Papertrail-like end-user product with dashboards, etc. instead of a "clo…

If you do cloud infra stuff, AWS will try to undercut you on price but will never outdo you on D/UX. So I wouldn't let Beezus hold me back

Re: Introducing S2

#155
post #111

IANAL,but naming your product S2 and mentioning in the intro that AWS S3 is the tech you are enhancing is probably looking for a branding/copyright claim from Amazon. Same vertical & definitely will cause consumer confusion. I'm sure you've done the research about whether a trademark has been registered. https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=98324800&caseSearchType=U...

At least cloudflare’s R2 has an argument for the naming (IBM vs HAL, A Space Odyssey)

Re: Introducing S2

#156
post #111

IANAL,but naming your product S2 and mentioning in the intro that AWS S3 is the tech you are enhancing is probably looking for a branding/copyright claim from Amazon. Same vertical & definitely will cause consumer confusion. I'm sure you've done the research about whether a trademark has been registered. https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=98324800&caseSearchType=U...

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Re: Introducing S2

#157
post #54

This is a really good idea, beautiful API, and something that I would like to use for my projects. However I have zero confidence that this startup would last very long in its current form. If it's successful, AWS will build a better and cheaper in-house version. It's just as likely to fail to get traction. If this had been released instead as a Papertrail-like end-user product with dashboards, etc. instead of a "clo…

It would be extra ironic if the whole thing already ran on top of AWS.

There's no end to startups which can be described as existing-open-source-software as a service, marketed as a cheaper alternative to AWS offerings.. who run on AWS.

Re: Introducing S2

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post #143
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This is a really good idea, beautiful API, and something that I would like to use for my projects. However I have zero confidence that this startup would last very long in its current form. If it's successful, AWS will build a better and cheaper in-house version. It's just as likely to fail to get traction. If this had been released instead as a Papertrail-like end-user product with dashboards, etc. instead of a "clo…

They just did https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42211280 (Amazon S3 now supports the ability to append data to an object, 30 days ago). Azure has had the same with append blobs for a long time. It's still a bit more raw than S2, without the concept of record. The step for a cloud provider to offer this natively is very small. And with the concept of a record, isn't this essentially a message queue, where the compe…

(Founder) Both S3 Express _One Zone_ appends and Azure's append blobs charge the regular PUT price for appends. It may work for you, but probably not if you want to do smaller writes.

Blob stores will also not let you do tailing reads, like you can with S2.

In AWS, S2's Express storage class takes care of writing to a quorum of 3 zonal buckets for regional durability.

I doubt object stores will go from operating at the level of blobs and byte ranges, to records and sequence numbers. But I could be wrong.

Re: Introducing S2

#159
I look at the egress costs to internet and it doesn’t check out. It’s a premium product dependent on DX, marketed to funded startups.

But if I care about ingress and egress costs, which many stream heavy infrastructure providers do.. This doesn’t add up.

I wish them luck, but I feel they would have had a much better chance from the start by getting some funding and having a loss leader start, then organising and passing on wholesale rates from cloud providers once they’d reached critical mass.

Instead they’re going in at retail which is very spicy. I feel like someone will clone the tech and let you self host, before big players copy it natively.

It’s a commodity space and they’re starting with a moat of a very busy 2 weeks from some Staff engineers at AWS.

Re: Introducing S2

#160
post #90
post #54

This is a really good idea, beautiful API, and something that I would like to use for my projects. However I have zero confidence that this startup would last very long in its current form. If it's successful, AWS will build a better and cheaper in-house version. It's just as likely to fail to get traction. If this had been released instead as a Papertrail-like end-user product with dashboards, etc. instead of a "clo…

People keep making the same argument against Aptible ( https://aptible.com ) and it is still a very successful PaaS over a decade later.

I had never heard of this company so I took a look and the main pitch was compelling and then I went to the pricing page and saw the pricing goes from $0 to $500 a month once you want to go to “production”. i’m clearly not the target market, which makes sense why I’ve never heard it.
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