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Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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Im all for this. I’m worried though that now the junk fees will just be added to the normal price without ultimately changing anything.

I wish sales taxes would be added - some cities charge very large taxes on hotel rooms and so it might be worth staying in a hotel not far away with more reasonable taxes.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#152

This shouldn't be controversial. FTC isn't banning these fees, it is only requiring merchants to disclose the fees. Why would anyone be against that? Another good rule is click-to-cancel. Just a couple of days ago I logged into my Dish Network account to cancel it (after they hiked prices). There is no way to cancel online. There is no way to cancel via chat. You have to call. As soon as you call you're told the wait…

My preferred way to cancel these types of services is to close or pause the card they're charging. If you use a virtual card service like Privacy.com, this is easy, if you don't, then maybe not so much. But using virtual cards for everything you can is typically a good idea anyway, imo.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#153
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No -- it's the norm in countries that have a single uniform VAT. It's obviously not the norm in countries that have sales taxes which vary by locality. Whether a country is "developed" or not has nothing to do with it. The vast majority of countries in Africa have a VAT, while the world's richest country has a sales tax.

> It's obviously not the norm in countries that have sales taxes which vary by locality Why not? If each store or restaurant or theatre or whatever in each locality know what price to bill you, they know the applicable price to show you upfront. > Whether a country is "developed" or not has nothing to do with it. The vast majority of countries in Africa have a VAT, while the world's richest country has a sales tax. T…

> Why not? If each store in each locality know what price to bill you, they know the applicable price to show you upfront.

Because it makes state-level or national-level advertising of prices impossible. Or even local-level in many cases.

> The relevance of developed or not is how much of the economy is informal or includes a part of negotiation.

No it doesn't, where are you getting that? Feel free to browse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country

and Ctrl+F for "informal" or "negotiation". There are a lot of indicators of developing vs developed countries, but your idea is most assuredly not one of them. Also, sales tax vs VAT has nothing to do with an informal economy or price negotiation either.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#154

This shouldn't be controversial. FTC isn't banning these fees, it is only requiring merchants to disclose the fees. Why would anyone be against that? Another good rule is click-to-cancel. Just a couple of days ago I logged into my Dish Network account to cancel it (after they hiked prices). There is no way to cancel online. There is no way to cancel via chat. You have to call. As soon as you call you're told the wait…

My preferred way to cancel these types of services is to close or pause the card they're charging. If you use a virtual card service like Privacy.com, this is easy, if you don't, then maybe not so much. But using virtual cards for everything you can is typically a good idea anyway, imo.

But then that becomes unpaid bills and they send you to collections.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#155

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Correct, it doesn't. IP geolocation is nowhere near precise enough. Remember, sales tax isn't something big like state-level. It's literally town -level, including tiny towns. Two sides of the same street can have a different sales tax. Not to mention all the extra rules, such as individual clothing items under $110 being exempt in New York.

It somehow works almost anywhere outside of NA? It's really not a crazy concept - estimate it based on geolocation and say "more exact will be available once you enter your address". The problem is, that genuinely negatively affect the sales because people see the true price of things.

> It somehow works almost anywhere outside of NA?

Is North America unique in allowing local municipalities to set their own taxes?

> It's really not a crazy concept - estimate it based on geolocation and say "more exact will be available once you enter your address".

That’s exactly what happens now, except the advertised price is actually correct instead of an “estimate”. I have an intuitive sense for local tax. How can I know what method was used to compute this estimated price?

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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a reverse IP lookup should give you a good estimate and you can always ask the user to enter their address for more accurate price.

Nope. I hate when website use IP for anything, especially language selection. I travel all the time as well as use VPNs for work, and the idea that my IP represents anything other than what network I’m connecting from is just lazy UX.

Yes let’s keep a shitty UX for most users because of a few abnormal users. Be honest, frequent travel and shopping over VPN is an edge case here. The vast majority of users are shopping and buying from home with a VPN.

Or better yet, give municipalities an incentive to stop layering a kinds of taxes. Just have a VAT and be done with it.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

#157

They should ban hidden taxes too. The sticker price should be the final price.

> The sticker price should be the final price. God I wish this applied to buying cars as well

Amazon Autos?

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Autos/b?node=10677469011

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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As a free market fan, Khan seems to have been pretty terrible. But this looks genuinely good! It's basically banning fraud. ---[EDIT], since everyone is asking for reasons here are two libertarian/conservative critiques: • https://reason.com/2024/11/07/good-riddance-lina-khan/ • https://archive.ph/IjNmZ

Personally, I think she's for the free market. She is progressive, which is controversial, but I don't really see why non-billionaires run to the defense of big tech when their monopolistic status is scrutinized. I totally understand why billionaires do, on the other hand. Worth watching Reid Hoffman embarrass himself on Jake Tapper on the subject of Khan recently for those interested

HN is full of people who think they will one day be the billionaires scamming people.

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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As a pro-market fan, Khan is great. Pro-market: pro-market advocates for policies that enhance competition and market efficiency. Understands that god markets are made. Pro-market advocates believe in creating conditions where businesses can compete fairly without undue advantages from government favoritism. Government regulation can be essential to correct market failures and promote a level playing field. Free mark…

Why do you describe “free market” as being ideological, and “pro-market” without those terms? Both seem equally ideological (or not).

Idealist: "the free market is perfect!"

Realist: "the free market has flaws, which can be addressed by..."

Replace "free market" with anything you like

Re: FTC bans hidden junk fees in hotel, event ticket prices

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a pro-market fan, Khan is great. Pro-market: pro-market advocates for policies that enhance competition and market efficiency. Understands that god markets are made. Pro-market advocates believe in creating conditions where businesses can compete fairly without undue advantages from government favoritism. Government regulation can be essential to correct market failures and promote a level playing field. Free mark…

Why do you describe “free market” as being ideological, and “pro-market” without those terms? Both seem equally ideological (or not).

Everything is ideology to some extent, but not everything is ideological to the same degree. The beliefs that a level playing field is good and that winning by means of political favoritism is bad are almost universally agreed on. Almost all political philosophies, including various shades of socialism and communism, agree that markets are needed to some degree if only for price discovery.
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