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Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by tanewishly »

rchaud wrote: post #48
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about security updates?

As long as apps are kept up to date, I'm not sure that OS-level security updates make much of a difference. Most breaches happen due to malicious apps. I haven't heard of any cases where somebody cracked the OS security and accessed user data. Most of the world is not using the latest version of Android, and you don't really hear about viruses/malware like we used to with Windows machines in the '90s and '00s.

There are security bugs which allow hacking older Android phones invisibly, via sms or mms. I'm not entirely sure what Android version you need to avoid such problems; probably north of 8.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by delusional »

ddejohn wrote: post #8
delusional wrote: post #6

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If you're willing to compromise on your thicker battery, you can just get a case. My pixel 9 is essentially flat, and the battery life is plenty for a couple of days.

Their point is about battery life, and that a thicker phone is the compromise they're willing to make. They don't want a thicker phone just for the heck of it.

I actually understand his comment to be primarily about wanting a thicker phone such that there is no camera bump. The possibility of a bigger battery is then a secondary benefit.

Either way, my point is that with a case the pixel 9 is mostly flat, and has a battery life that I can't complain about. How big the battery is physically is unimportant to me. Logically it's big enough.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by Nursie »

CMDBob wrote: post #124

It's funny, as my phone (A 2022 Moto Razr) can work as PC, if I plug it into a monitor with it's USB-C port. I can plug it into a monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into the monitor's inbuilt USB-C hub, and it works just fine. Has a desktop mode and everything! If the monitor doesn't have a hub in it, I can use the phone as a mouse/touchpad! Plus, if the monitor supports it, it'll even keep it charged rather than…

I had a Huawei P20 Pro that did much the same back in 2018.

I never really used it for much, a bit of light browsing and really just as a gimmick, buit yeah, there was a desktop of sorts and you could use all the apps, and the touchpad/mouse thing worked. You could attach a bluetooth keyboard too, IIRC.

Kindof a shame my iphone doesn't do this (I assume, I haven't tried), but I'm not sure if I'd use it.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by Nursie »

hilbert42 wrote: post #102

I find it highly annoying that these rather powerful handheld smartphone computers don't have decent port access for use with instrumentation, etc. A huge range of features comes to mind from Geiger counters, oscilloscopes, sound level measurement, light intensity, etc , etc. The potential to expand the smartphone capability is enormous yet no manufacturer has tackled it. Why not? Why aren't there multiple USB ports?…

Motorola did a sort of add-on thing with their Moto Z some years back. It had swappable back-plates. They launched an extended battery, a speaker, a camera with larger optics and mechanical zoom, a projector attachment... some sort of amazon-branded smart-speaker attachment... they were supposed to kick off an add-on ecosystem but I guess it turned out most people weren't really bothered.

Not quite what you're asking for, it wasn't standard bus connectors or anything.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by timonoko »

hilbert42 wrote: post #102

I find it highly annoying that these rather powerful handheld smartphone computers don't have decent port access for use with instrumentation, etc. A huge range of features comes to mind from Geiger counters, oscilloscopes, sound level measurement, light intensity, etc , etc. The potential to expand the smartphone capability is enormous yet no manufacturer has tackled it. Why not? Why aren't there multiple USB ports?…

My Ulefone has TWO. And the other one is heavy-duty industrial type connector. As luck may have it, I redesigned that connector, because Aliexpress was not selling one without some instrument attached. https://github.com/timonoko/Ulefone-Usmart-connector

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by kruxigt »

grahamj wrote: post #146
orf wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For starters I'm 1 person, so the market is not O. And I know of others, and I know I'm not alone Of all the people you interacted with in any way, shape or form this year, what percentage of those would benefit from this? It rounds to 0, assuming you’re not a shut-in

If they're a shut-in it definitely rounds to zero

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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by teitoklien »

abraxas wrote: post #2

This and also I don't want a tumor on the back of my phone. Can we go back to flat bodies at the expense of camera quality? For some of us phone cameras are really not _that_ important.

Most women I know buy the higher end phones for its cameras simply to take better selfies of themselves, they dont game (not stereotype, just stats in my region), they just use their phone for watching videos, listening to music, phone calling and most importantly take a gazillion photos each week.

So nearly 50% of the demographic is buying those phones simply for the camera, and a big screen, nothing else.

I’ve noticed its typically just men (including me), who dont care about the camera much at all, and just want a normie phone that can run most apps.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by worthless-trash »

grahamj wrote: post #146
orf wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For starters I'm 1 person, so the market is not O. And I know of others, and I know I'm not alone Of all the people you interacted with in any way, shape or form this year, what percentage of those would benefit from this? It rounds to 0, assuming you’re not a shut-in

If they're a shut-in it definitely rounds to zero

Everything rounds to zero on a big enough scale.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by sureIy »

Wrong on so many levels.

If you don't want to pay, then don't. Get an older phone or not the high end.

The extra performance is used. Modern photography uses a ton of power, and recording even more so.

Granted, I also think that progress in other parts of the phone has slowed, but it's not like CPU people are the same people deciding how much battery you get in a phone.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Post by f6v »

hilbert42 wrote: post #115
Kirby64 wrote: post #107

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> Why aren't there multiple USB ports? By now why don't all phones use USB-3? Why isn't there general purpose D/A and A/D ports/outputs for instrumentation? Why don't they include a GPIB-like bus to connect to things? Why can't we use the screen as an oscilloscope with a bandwidth of say 100MHz? Because the population of people that would actually use that functionality rounds to approximately 0. There do exist phone…

"Because the population of people that would actually use that functionality rounds to approximately 0." How can you say that, where are your figures/stats/evidence? For starters I'm 1 person, so the market is not O. And I know of others, and I know I'm not alone. Clearly you don't work in test and measurement. Moreover, this article alone has raised the matter of additional features. Anyway, it's only a matter of ti…

> And I know of others, and I know I'm not alone.

Children who play Fortnite on the go are a much bigger market and will always be. Smartphones are content consumption devices.

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