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Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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A few years ago I doggedly tried to switch to Nyxt for everyday use. I really liked the concept, but at the time, it was too buggy, and constantly crashed on me. I'm going give it another shot.

Nyxt is very promising, and I hope it gains momentum. The obvious advantage of Nyxt is programmability and keyboard-driven workflows. However, I use old hardware, and it's a bit slow and laggy. Chromium behaves the same way, so I imagine this is due to WebKit and Blink being significantly heavier than Gecko. Firefox is really snappy on old hardware, at least when running Linux, and uses a modest amount of memory.

> The obvious advantage of Nyxt is programmability and keyboard-driven workflows.

Example real-world workflows that highlight the advantage of Nyxt over other browsers?

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#152
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Touchpads don’t solve for muscle memory for the same reasons mouses don’t. And yeah, of course. Most people who use keyboard based workflows dont just use hjkl to move a cursor around. In vim, for example, there are many more text-centric ways of moving around a document. Using a keyboard is generally much faster. Try using your daily code editor without any hot keys at all. No F5, no Ctrl-s, none of that.

> Touchpads don’t solve for muscle memory for the same reasons mouses don’t. Uh, what? I have my touchpad tuned so that one swipe from top left to bottom right is exactly equal to going from the top left to bottom right of my display. And aside from that, how do you think people play FPS games, that they think about every mouse movement and then do it? > Most people who use keyboard based workflows dont just use hjkl…

> Uh, what? I have my touchpad tuned so that one swipe from top left to bottom right is exactly equal to going from the top left to bottom right of my display. And aside from that, how do you think people play FPS games, that they think about every mouse movement and then do it?

I think that FPS players are conscious of where they are aiming. They don’t just automatically move their mouse in the exact same way to hit every enemy on screen.

There may be some specific movements, like swiping or turning 180 degrees which have a specific motion (or gesture) related to it, but that isn’t the same as aiming, which you can’t memorize as where you aim is different every time depending on your targets position and movement.

> Not to mention there is no “quickly” using your keyboard with one hand if you constantly need to hold modifier keys :)

Yes there is :)

> On any application without Vim or EMacs bindings I’ll happily be leaping over hundreds of lines of text with one or two swipes whilst you are sitting there.

I’m sorry, but this is a bad argument. Obviously is software isn’t made to support keyboard centric use, it will not be great to use it only with a keyboard.

Imagine if you were writing a book, but your software wasn’t made with keyboard support. You’d need to use the mouse to click every letter. Or one where each clickable button is buried in >3 layers of dropdown menus. That would be equally terrible.

If you have an application optimized for keyboard interaction, it will be faster (tho less intuitive) to interact with it than one which is optimized for mouse movements.

There is a good compromise between speed of use and intuitive usability which is mouse-centric with hot keys.

But to interact as quickly as possible, you’d want to stick with one consistent input device, and motion based input devices don’t cut it.

I mean use what you want though. If you like using a mouse, use it.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#153

I was intrigued until I saw this in the FAQ: > What is Nyxt? > Nyxt is a browser with deeply integrated AI and semantic document tools that work as a second brain to help you process and understand more, more quickly. No mention of what sort of "AI", where it's run, etc. If nothing else, this sounds like a recipe for a warm laptop and unreliable results.

Nyxt has been around long before the whole ai hype.

I guess they’re just trying ti ride the marketing wave.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#155
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Thats interesting. Im using GUI Windows OS, but im very heavy keyboard user, utilizing shortcuts and alt+tab for windows switching. I barely even use start or desktop to start most common apps I use. I wrote myself QuickRun tool that is activated by Win+Q, and I type what I want to run. Usually its just 2-3 first letters of alias name, like bash and autocompletion kicks in. Mouse is used mostly to position windows so…

Do you use multiple desktops? Windows seems terrible at positioning windows, I can't work out how to tell a window to move to the next desktop, say, or just start on a particular desktop (nevermind start at a particular position). Instead it takes a lot of mouse work just to setup after a boot/reboot. Do you have a solution? I'm stuck with native solutions, otherwise I gather this can be fixed with AHK. I'm intereste…

I've never seen the point of multiple desktops, but I went and found out the answer to the first question anyway. You hold down win+tab, a nice layout appears showing all your windows and all your desktops, and you drag a window to a desktop.

I notice you can also reorder the desktops: right click (while holding win+tab), select "move left". Maybe it will then boot into whichever one's leftmost.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#156
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Browsing is mainly of exploration (e.g. reading) then data entry (which does require a keyboard but all on one page no scrolling) and much less repeatable tasks. My hand is usually already on the mouse. Switching apps, scrolling text etc. I started on PC-DOS and mainframes so was originally all keyboard, but having mouse made things much easier for me. Now don't get me started on gestures - I can never remember any.…

Thats interesting. Im using GUI Windows OS, but im very heavy keyboard user, utilizing shortcuts and alt+tab for windows switching. I barely even use start or desktop to start most common apps I use. I wrote myself QuickRun tool that is activated by Win+Q, and I type what I want to run. Usually its just 2-3 first letters of alias name, like bash and autocompletion kicks in. Mouse is used mostly to position windows so…

I'm curious what extras you can do with your tool. I use spotlight style search with Microsoft powertoys with good effect. Admitidly stuff like unit conversion doesn't come up often but very helpful for finding files and apps compared to Windows search.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

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It's an elitism thing. Notice the terminology "investing time to dramatically speed up workflow". This is the mantra that the keyboard-only adherents have latched onto, and extend to EVERYTHING, including things that are perfectly serviced via mouse control, or don't even need speeding up. Arguing with them is like arguing with audiophiles.

Not sure why arguing is needed? You like a mouse, I think it sucks. If we meet up, we can trivially measure what is faster. What is there to argue?

How to make interfaces for popular software. Or even unpopular software.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#158
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We're talking about a web browser, right? What workflow?

It's an elitism thing. Notice the terminology "investing time to dramatically speed up workflow". This is the mantra that the keyboard-only adherents have latched onto, and extend to EVERYTHING, including things that are perfectly serviced via mouse control, or don't even need speeding up. Arguing with them is like arguing with audiophiles.

What strikes me as odd is that this browser is not in a terminal, but in a window. So no usage through SSH, no terminal benefits, which are the origin of the keyboard-oriented workflow.

When I press F12, does an inspector open? Where does it open? When I select some words, how do I send them to a new tab in YouTube, Amazon, Google or Stack Overflow? How do I open all the links which are within a selected rectangle in new background tabs? Or use uBlock Origin's element picker?

I'm pretty sure this browser is super fast and all is super optimized and a top tier workflow, but mostly in certain limited scenarios.

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#159
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The AI plug is obligatory. They have to ride the hype train too. This browser was around before AI was popular and when I used it, it was great. The only downside is the lack of ability to run extensions, like bitwarden.

Nyxt is supposed to be as extensible as Emacs and way more extensible than mainstream browsers that use WebExtensions. The lack of extensions is likely due to its miniscule market share.

Somebody should use the extrnsibility to integrate it with blockchain then, to make even more cool.

(and more hot)

Re: Nyxt: The Hacker's Browser

#160
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Nyxt is supposed to be as extensible as Emacs and way more extensible than mainstream browsers that use WebExtensions. The lack of extensions is likely due to its miniscule market share.

Somebody should use the extrnsibility to integrate it with blockchain then, to make even more cool. (and more hot)

hahaha, you’re joking right? honestly I can’t tell over text
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