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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Not this commenter, but how I've often heard it expressed was we created the justice system as a better, more civilized alternative to putting people in holes just outside of town. At such a time the justice system stops working, as it increasingly seems to have RE: the rich, then we resume holes.

This entire line of thinking just seems to be essentially advocacy for a return to that exact system. "Do what we want or we'll go back to random murder". I wonder if the original commenter would have put the same comment if the article were "man shoots his wife and her lover on discovery of adultery"

The distinction would be that you can still seek legal redress in court for your spouse committing adultery. It may not be the redress you want, but it would at least get you something, e.g. grounds for divorce.

Increasingly, though, people in the United States feel that the rich and powerful have become effectively insulated from the legal system, such that the common person is denied any redress. At that point, one no longer feels any reason to continue working within the legal framework, because it seems clear that the framework is not at all "equal" under the law.

Hence, when all other options feel exhausted: murder.

And, frankly, I imagine this will only continue with time, unless this country decides to actually provide some mechanism to hold people in power accountable. Like, I'm frankly surprised no one has attempted to assassinate members of the SCOTUS yet recently, given that they enjoy a lifetime appointment to make wide-impacting, scrutiny-free decisions.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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I don't think this ceo should be killed. However it's absolutely the case that this ceo has taken actions that resulted in the deaths and suffering of others. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if someone lost a family member due to this ceo and that turned out to be the motive.

I'm nervous about the precedent this sets, if that turns out to be the motive.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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> Are you suggesting that UHC breaks the law? If yes, why is the answer to that not a trial in a court of law?

This is an incredibly intellectual dishonest take on how large corporations break the spirit of laws if not the letter.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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What a dystopian world we live in where oligarchs controlling anti-trust companies deny medical coverage [0]. Am I surprised this happened... [0] https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-healthcare-i...

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The primary reason for the cost difference is the massive network of middlemen injected into the system, and rampant profiteering by for-profit healthcare companies.

Average cost of 1 vial of insulin in France: $9.08

Average cost of 1 vial of insulin in the US: $98.70

HDThoreaun: huffing some libertarian shit "The people are using too much insulin."

https://www.rand.org/pubs/articles/2021/the-astronomical-pri...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cost-of-insulin-by-country/

https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/comparing-insulin-prices-us-oth...

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Well it’s very unfortunate for all Americans that rely on any healthcare company. Since they will all be increasing their rates soon to cover the expenses of 24/7 armed guards, armored vehicles, etc… Edit: Or a reduction in service quality to cover the new expenses.

As someone who endured UHC for several years, I assure you there is no service quality to reduce. > How do they still have that many customers if their service was so bad? Because the people making the decision to purchase UHC services and using UHC services are two wildly different demographics.

Touché

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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> Are you suggesting that UHC breaks the law? If yes, why is the answer to that not a trial in a court of law? This is an incredibly intellectual dishonest take on how large corporations break the spirit of laws if not the letter.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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A suppressor requires a federal tax stamp and (at least as of a few years ago) submission of fingerprints to the atf. So is certainly not as easy as some states requirements for firearms.

There is what the law says, and what people are physically cable of. I am being realistic, but you are free to challenge that realism with paperwork that can be ignored by folks who would seek out the hardware mentioned. There are laws against murder, how did that go today? I am making observations of an operating environment, and don't hold strong opinions on gun rights and similar. More, "What am I dealing with as…

Your argument started by talking about loose laws for firearm purchases. Not about being “physically capable” of. It then transitioned directly to talking about suppressor availability. I think it’s reasonable to point out that they are different legal regimes if only for other people confused by your abrupt and silent transition away from talking about laws.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Just want to caution everyone to not jump to conclusions. Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco and everyone assumed it was because of how unsafe San Francisco is? And then it turned out to be another tech exec? Beyond the one motive we can think of, this person (like any person) had other things going on in their life. We have no idea what the motive was until the killer is found.

There isn't a propaganda machine trying to make Manhattan look dangerous, so I don't think anyone thought this was random.

Sure, but there's a lot of speculation that it was a wronged customer. It could have been someone he works with. It could have been someone from his personal life. People who are not Healthcare CEO's also are murdered, there are lots of possible motives.

We don't even know that the killer got the right person.

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