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Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
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#152You’re close. It’s not the humans in the loop in standard tasks you need though, it’s human surrogates for AI agents to do jobs they can’t for a variety of reasons (like missing a body or requiring an internet connection). I have a request for startups for this: “GraggNet: Task Rabbit for AIs Surrogate humans for AIs to use before robotics are human level” https://ageof.diamonds/rfs
yeah this is cool. I saw a couple other people posting about this idea. I know some other folks working on "sourcing the humans" or doing a marketplace style thing. Thoughts on things like Payman or Protegee?
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#153Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
#154It's generally recommended to add a meat-gap interface between AI systems to reduce unexpected results.
Meat-gap. We have your back.
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#155Nice. I guess the issue is that this is such a basic i/o feature that any system with some modicum of customization can already do it. It's like offering a service that provides storage by api for agents. Yeah, you can call the api, or call the s3 api directly or store to disk. That said, I would try it before rolling my own.
i think the slack side is easy. I think an AI-optimized email communication channel is a long ways off. I spent weeks throwing things at my monitor figuring out reliable ways to wire DNS+SES+SNS+Lambda+Webhooks+API+Datastore+Async Workers so that everything would "just work" with a few lines of humanlayer sdk. And what we build still only serves a small subset of use cases (e.g. to support attachments there's a whole…
>DNS+SES+SNS+Lambda+Webhooks+API+Datastore+Async Workers so that everything would "just work" with a few lines of humanlayer sdk.
What are you smoking my man?
Write a python script that begins with the 2 following lines "import openai import email "
Simple is better than complex
Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdotally, I've worked with and on a few enterprise AI apps and haven't seen this functionality in them. The closest thing i can think of is AI coding agents submitting PRs to repos.
tl;dr i agree yeah in fact coding / PR-based workflows is one of the few areas where I don't really go super deep. GitHub PRs may have their shortcomings, but IMO it is the undisputed best review/approval queue system in existence by a mile. i would never encourage someone to make an agent that asks human permission before submitting a PR. the PR is the HitL step
disagree with both, unless your AI agents have full root access to all your systems and access to your bank accounts and whatnot, they are at some point interfacing with other systems that have humans involved in them.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Temporal makes this easy and works great for such use cases. It's what I'm using for my own AI agents.
ah very cool! are there any things you wish it did or any friction points? What are the things that "just work"?
Essentially, you don't need to think about time and space. You just write more or less normal looking code, using the Temporal SDK. Except it actually can resume from arbitrarily long pauses, waiting as long as it needs to for some signal, without any special effort beyond using the SDK. You also automatically get great observability into all running workflows, seeing inputs and outputs at each step, etc.
The cost of this is that you have to be careful in creating new versions of the workflow that are backwards compatible, and it's hard to understand backcompat requirements and easy to mess up. And, there's also additional infra you need, to run the Temporal server. Temporal Cloud isn't cheap at scale but does reduce that burden.
Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
#158Congratulations on launch! We’ve faced this problem with our autonomous web browsing agent https://www.donobu.com and ended up implementing a css overlay to wait for user input in certain cases.
Slack would be so much better. Excited to try humanlayer out.
Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
i like that angle...I also hear a lot that 'coding agents are great for prototypes, but we usually need a team to bring it to production'
First congrats on the launch - I like it. My feedback: what’s there looks inviting. Email interaction is handy, other ways would be too. If there was a low code way to arrange the humanlayer primitives for folks at the edge of using it, I think human tasks could meet something like this even broader. Happy to chat offline. Onto your comment: The coding for coding agents is still kinda prototype. It feels like some fo…
I think a lot about the low code side and how we can make that work...at the end of the day that looks like a feature/integration into other platforms and that means a lot of matching opinions/interfaces.
I think K8s ecosystem did this well but it required big cross-enterprise working groups that produced things like CSI, SMI, OCI, and before that could happen, there was like 5+ years of storming and forming that had to happen before the dust settled enough for enteprises to step forward and embrace k8s/containers as the new compute paradigm
maybe i'm overthinking things.
onto the coding things -
> clever architecture still tends to beat clever coding
love this
> best code often is the code that’s not written and not maintained
it's too bad not-writing-code isn't as satisfying as deleting code
> it’s developments 5th or 6th version creating major overhauls
yeah the best agent orchestration architecture I'm aware is on interation 4 going on 5. I told him to open source it but he said "its .NET so if I open source it, nobody will care" XD
> There is agentic ai and human in the loop to still figure itself out, as well as how to improve the existing processes. 2025 looks to be interesting.
i'm stoked for it
Re: Launch HN: Human Layer (YC F24) – Human-in-the-Loop API for AI Systems
#160Congratulations on launch! We’ve faced this problem with our autonomous web browsing agent https://www.donobu.com and ended up implementing a css overlay to wait for user input in certain cases. Slack would be so much better. Excited to try humanlayer out.
very cool - come ping us in discord happy to help out - we did do a demo w/ dendrite/stagehand a few weeks back where the AI can pull you into a browserbase session OR just ping you in plaintext to get things like MFA codes etc