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Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Both can be true. Protecting your agricultural capacity is what convinces the part of the population that does not directly benefit from the subsidies.

That's just admitting that it is just justification.

Yes and? If it keeps 20% of the country alive during a twice in a century event that it's a good justification.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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In the US, we have sextupled 155mm shell production. If war breaks out, you need to feed people, maintain roads, build vehicles, etc.

Europe has a huge coastline, it's impossible to blockade. If war breaks out, it's better to shift workers from agriculture to war-related production, and import food from places that are not at war, such as South America. Food produced in Europe is basically a luxury. For every kilogram of beef produced in Denmark, you can buy 2.5 kg of Argentinian beef.

While Europe has a long coastline, there are only a given number of ports capable of the high thoroughput needed to feed Europe’s population. Blockade those and the entrance to the Baltic and Mediterranean, and most of your work is done. Moreover, in a shooting war, merchant ships from other global regions attempting to supply Europe would be targeted.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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You said that cow emissions weren't significant (well, that it was "absolute lunacy"). Two people have provided rough calculations that show they do have a measurable effect. What's your point?

My point is people should do the math and come to their own reasonable conclusion. Assuming these numbers aren't totally bullshit (see what I did there) this won't move the needle unless we cut out cow consumption 100% and cull all native herd animals. Me? I think we can probably survive some cow farts as our ancestors who hunted buffalo and burnt down entire ecosystems doing so did. We should focus on the real solut…

I don't know enough about this topic but my question is what is the input to the 250-500l cow fart equation. What's being consumed to produce that much methane?

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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There’s a ton we can do before taking food off our children’s table.

I don't think anyone was talking about taking food off children's tables?

Because that's exactly what reducing farming output does.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

#155
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Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

Because there's nothing else? 60% of Denmark is farmed land, most of the rest is cities, industry, or suburbs.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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> Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. Agriculture in the EU is renowned for not being financially unjustified. For decades it's been a finantial no-brainer to import the bulk of agricultural products from south America and Africa. This is not new or the re…

You'd think that people would have realized this after Europe avoided mass death from Russian gas being cut off only because the winter was mild.

Considering that we're doing the barest of the minimum about it three years in, yeah, you'd think.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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> Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. Agriculture in the EU is renowned for not being financially unjustified. For decades it's been a finantial no-brainer to import the bulk of agricultural products from south America and Africa. This is not new or the re…

Resistance to a blockade doesn’t require subsidies for growing flowers etc. Subsidizing exports similarly has very different goals.

Sure it does. The goal is keep the farmland available and productive along with keeping agricultural infrastructure. The USA helped win WW2 because our car factory lines were retooled to make war machines.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. To drive the point home the agricultural sector in Denmark only makes up 3.6% of the bnp and 4.3% of exports while taking up 60% of Denmarks total area and employing around 3.9% of the working population. i think Denmark…

> Denmarks agricultural performance is not great at all. it's way too expensive to produce stuff. if it wasn't for EU subsidies the agricultural sector in Denmark would loose over 50% of their profits. Agriculture in the EU is renowned for not being financially unjustified. For decades it's been a finantial no-brainer to import the bulk of agricultural products from south America and Africa. This is not new or the re…

I think you meant financial

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

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