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Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by grugagag »

imiric wrote: post #99
eastbound wrote: post #89

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Because we don’t believe it’s equal quality to our job, so we see cheap competition arriving with swathes of bad products, but no way for customers to distinguish what makes quality. Plus we all create bugs anyway.

It's not really that. The quality of these tools will probably increase, and I'm fine with more competition, and with less experienced developers being empowered to build their own products. What is depressing to me is that the products showcased here are essentially cookie-cutter derivatives built on and around the AI hype cycle. They're barely UI wrappers around LLMs marketed as something groundbreaking. So the tho…

I find that part depressing as well, like who would even listen to gen AI podcasts? Not even vetted by a person but just pumped out as filler like it’s some kind of soil fertilizer. There is already so much good human made content on the web for nearly free if you only look. No doubt this AI slop will get in out way even if we don’t want it, but think of the effect this slop is going to have on younger generation.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by njtransit »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #61
njtransit wrote: post #27

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Can you share some examples?

ThumbnailGenius.com (has a ton of new features I haven’t pushed yet as I wait for approval from a payment processor) MetHacker.io (has a lot of features I had to remove because of X API’s new pricing - see /projects on it) GoUnfaked.com PlaybookFM.com TokenAI.dev (working with blowfish to remove the warning flag)

Thanks. That is interesting. Did you use AI for just the front end components, or were you also able to reliably use the output for the ML portions, or were those simply offloaded to other services via API call?

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by kbaker »

Robotenomics wrote: post #147
imiric wrote: post #136

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> It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. Eh, I would argue that the apparent lower knowledge requirement is an illusion. These tools produce non-working code more often than not (OpenAI's flagship models are not even corre…

Things have improved considerably over the last 3 months. Claude with cursor.ai is certainly over 50%

Where the libraries are new/not known to the LLM yet, I just go find the most similar examples in the docs and chuck them in the context window too (easy to do with aider.) Then say 'fix it'. Does an incredible job.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by lxgr »

imiric wrote: post #136
Sakos wrote: post #110

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It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. As somebody with ADHD, it was primarily all that supplementary, tangential knowledge which felt like an insurmountable mountain to me and made it impossible to actually try all the id…

> It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. Eh, I would argue that the apparent lower knowledge requirement is an illusion. These tools produce non-working code more often than not (OpenAI's flagship models are not even corre…

> These tools produce non-working code more often than not (OpenAI's flagship models are not even correct 50% of the time[1]), so you still have to read, understand and debug their output.

Definitely, but what LLMs provide me that a purely textual interface can't is discoverability.

A significant advantage of GUIs is that I get to see a list of things I can do, and the task becomes figuring out which ones are going to solve my problem. For programming languages, that's usually not the case (there's documentation, but that isn't usually as nested and context sensitive as a GUI is), and LLMs are very good at bridging that gap.

So even if an LLM provides me a broken SQL query for a given task, more often than not it's exposed me to new keywords or concepts that did in fact end up solving my problem.

A hand-crafted GUI is definitely still superior to any chat-based interface (and this is in fact a direction I predict AI models will be moving to going forward), but if nobody builds one, I'll take an LLM plus a CLI and/or documentation over only the latter any day.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by senorrib »

williamcotton wrote: post #138
imiric wrote: post #129

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I'm curious: what do you do when the LLM starts hallucinating, or gets stuck in a loop of generating non-working code that it can't get out of? What do you do when you need to troubleshoot and fix an issue it introduced, but has no idea how to fix? In my experience of these tools, including the flagship models discussed here, this is a deal-breaking problem. If I have to waste time re-prompting to make progress, and…

These two projects were almost entirely written with LLMs: https://github.com/williamcotton/search-input-query https://github.com/williamcotton/guish Both are non-trivial but certainly within the context window so they're not large projects. However, they are easily extensible due to the architecture I instructed as I was building them! The first contains a recursive descent parser for a search query DSL (and much mo…

The usual workflow I see skeptic folks take is throw a random sentence and expect the LLM to correctly figure out the end result. And then just keep sending small chunks of code expanding the context with poor instructions.

LLMs are tools that need to be learned. Good prompts aren’t hard, but they do take some effort to build.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by nitwit005 »

Ideally, Claude should have told you about easier approaches. I don't see any reason to mess around with code.

There are plenty of website builder tools that will glue third party maps. Even the raw Google Maps API website will generate an HTML page with customized maps.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by jpc0 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #126
kenjackson wrote: post #98

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I’ve had the same experience, except helping complement build components or scripts. Everyone on HN tells me how LLMs are horrible, yet I’ve saved literally hundreds of hours with them so far. I guess we’re just lucky.

Look at the replies on my comment This place is far gone. Some of the most close minded, uncurious people in tech I don’t think this place deserves to be called “Hacker” News anymore

We have different definitions of hacker.

I played around with LLMs... Found they aren't very useful. Slapping a project together to ship isn't what hacking is about.

Hacking is about deeply understanding what is actually happening under the hood by playing around, taking it apart, rebuilding it.

When the craze started everyone here were out looking for ways to escape the safeties of the LLMs, or discussing how they are being built etc.

This comment thread is about using the technology to slap a thing together so you can sell it. There's no exploration of the topic at hand, there's no attempt to understand.

I'm trying to think of a decent analogy but can't think of one but this smacks of a certain type of friend who finds a technology you have been hacking on and makes it so unbearable that you actually just lose interest...

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by Kiro »

imiric wrote: post #136
Sakos wrote: post #110

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It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. As somebody with ADHD, it was primarily all that supplementary, tangential knowledge which felt like an insurmountable mountain to me and made it impossible to actually try all the id…

> It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. Eh, I would argue that the apparent lower knowledge requirement is an illusion. These tools produce non-working code more often than not (OpenAI's flagship models are not even corre…

> OpenAI's flagship models are not even correct 50% of the time[1]

You're reading the link wrong. They specifically picked questions that one or more models failed at. It's not representative of how often the model is wrong in general.

From the paper:

> At least one of the four completions must be incorrect for the trainer to continue with that question; otherwise, the trainer was instructed to create a new question.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by imiric »

Sakos wrote: post #148
imiric wrote: post #136

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> It also reduces the knowledge needed. I don't particularly care about learning how to setup and configure a web extension from scratch. With LLM, I can get 90% of that working in minutes, then focus on the parts that I am interested in. Eh, I would argue that the apparent lower knowledge requirement is an illusion. These tools produce non-working code more often than not (OpenAI's flagship models are not even corre…

All the projects I've been able to start and make progress in in the past year vs the ten years before that are substantive enough proof for me that you're wrong in pretty much all of your arguments. My direct experience proves statements like "the lower knowledge requirement is an illusion" and "it takes much more effort to review code than to write it" wrong. I do code reviews all the time. I write code all the tim…

Hey, I'm not trying to gaslight you into anything. I'm just arguing from my point of view, which you're free to disagree with.

You're right that I've probably used these tools much less than you have. I use them ocasionally for minor things (understanding an unfamiliar API, giving me hints when web searching is unhelpful, etc.), but even in my limited experience with current state of the art services (Claude 3.5, GPT-4o) I've found them to waste my time in ways I wouldn't if I weren't using them. And at the end of the day, I'm not sure if I'm overall more productive than I would be without them. This limited usage leads me to believe that the problem would be far worse if I were to rely on them for most of my project, but the truth is I haven't actually tried that yet.

So if you feel differently, more power to you. There's no point in getting frustrated because someone has a different point of view than you.

Re: Claude AI built me a React app to compare maps side by side

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Post by thwarted »

cj wrote: post #19
swatcoder wrote: post #12

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> I am looking forward to this type of real time app creation being added into our OSs, browsers, phones and glasses. What do you see that being used for? Surely, polished apps written for others are going to be best built in professional tools that live independently of whatever the OS might offer. So I assume you're talking about quick little scratch apps for personal use? Like an AI-enriched version of Apple's Aut…

When I was in college (10+ years ago) there was a system that allowed you to select your classes. During the selection period, certain people had priority (people a year above you got to select first). Once a class was full, you could still get in if someone who was selected for the classes changed their mind, which (at an unpredictable time) would result in a seat becoming available in that class until another stude…

> "Send me a push notification when the text on this webpage says the class isn’t full, and check every 60 seconds"

Yahoo Pipes. Definitely useful, definitely easier for some folks to string together basic operations into something more complex, but really ends up being for locally/personally consumed one-offs.

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