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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by spike021 »

walrushunter wrote: post #56

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

Hmm. Engineering managers should be setting the team culture and determining best criteria for extending an offer to a candidate. If theres a problem with the hiring process I'd look for the closest source that could or should be fixing it.

I don't think I'd want to work for you.

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Post by dilyevsky »

jeffbee wrote: post #12

Why do they want to get into the live business? It doesn't seem to synergize with their infrastructure. Sending the same stream in real time to numerous people just isn't the same task as letting people stream optimized artifacts that are prepositioned at the edge of the network.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. I can see your point - it’s much harder to this live but a lot of their cdn infra can be reused.

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Post by geodel »

walrushunter wrote: post #56

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

It mostly makes sense to me. From their bombastic blogs to github projects full of overwrought Enterprise java design patterns. The only thing great about Netflix is it pays a lot more.

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Post by [deleted] »

bsimpson wrote: post #42
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

I don't spend much time streaming, but I got a glimpse of the Amazon Prime catalog yesterday, and was surprised at how many titles on the front page were movies I'd actually watch. Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago.

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by spike021 »

bsimpson wrote: post #42
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

I don't spend much time streaming, but I got a glimpse of the Amazon Prime catalog yesterday, and was surprised at how many titles on the front page were movies I'd actually watch. Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago.

Amazon Prime isn't so great. Lots of for rent/purchase content or content with ads these days. And they end up repeating slots of content in all the rows in their UI, so I end up seeing the same suggestions everywhere rather than much that's new (other than first party productions).

To me they're basically padding their front page.

But honestly that's most of the major streaming platforms these days. I recently cancelled Disney Plus for similar reasons. The only reasons I don't cancel prime or Netflix are because I have family members I split the memberships with to share.

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Post by geodel »

Lammy wrote: post #145
walrushunter wrote: post #56

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

I hope to never have a manager who is mentally stack ranking me and my coworkers in terms of perceived dumbness instead of in terms of any positive trait.

Btw how do you know your current manager is not doing that.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by rk06 »

thefreeman wrote: post #87
sgarland wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how effective it would be to cache live events with a delay. Write to the tail, read from the head.

that’s totally unacceptable for live sports which people are able to bet on

Why should they catering to such an audience in first place?

I think this could be one of upsells that Netflix could use.

Premium: get no delay

Normal users: get cache and delay

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Post by ethbr1 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

So the issue is that Netflix gets its performance from colocating caches of movies in ISP datacenters, and a live broadcast doesn't work with that. It's not just about the sheer numbers of viewers, it's that a live model totally undermines their entire infrastructure advantage. See: https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/

I'm curious if the root cause is more variable than usual latency.

Sample size 1, but...

I saw a ton of buffering and failure on an embedded Netflix app on a TV, including some infinite freezes.

Moved over to laptop, zero buffering.

I assume the web app runs with a lot bigger buffer than whatever is squeezed into the underpowered TV.

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Post by spike021 »

nicce wrote: post #61
stingraycharles wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, this is not Netflix’ regular cup of tea, and it’s a very different problem to solve. They can probably use their edge caches, but it’s challenging.

How YouTube does this? Netflix is like drop in the ocean when compared to.

In my experience even YouTubeTV has problems sometimes. I'll have the 1080p (and enhanced mode also I think) quality set and still deal with a lot of compression artifacts.
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