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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by stronglikedan »

protonbob wrote: post #62
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

So basically you're wasting the interviewees time and breaking the law by admitting that you won't hire a citizen who would do the job just as well.

it's okay to break stupid laws as long as you don't get caught

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by alephnerd »

ulfw wrote: post #142
alephnerd wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There just aren't that many jobs for management roles (CPO/VP Product/etc) compared to applicants. Being in HK probably isn't helping either because there are plenty of qualified candidates across China and ASEAN now as well - especially in the hospitality and B2C space.

Oh 100%. But of course I am not limited to HK at all (in fact I am planning to move to AU next year as I got permanent residence there through their Global Talent visa programme). But nothing there either. And I'm not limiting myself to CPO or VP roles but yea... this is what it has been

Why aren't you considering CPO roles the US or starting your own company?

I think you are too overqualified for non-VP/CPO roles, and B2C dealflow is dead across ASEAN and China atm so VP/CPO roles are hyper-competitive. It's similar in Australia to a certain extent as well.

That said, best of luck! Your background is fairly strong

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by dustyventure »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #41
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

Wait, this isn't clear to me. Are the interviewees citizens? So you're interviewing citizens to prove that there aren't any who can fill your jobs but even when they clearly could fill the job you don't hire them? Seems like the requirement of proving "there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job" is going to be near impossible for the government to enforce

> Seems like the requirement of proving "there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job" is going to be near impossible for the government to enforce

It's extremely easy to enforce with taxes that ensure the company is paying at least 1X0% of the highest market rate for the position. If they don't find an alternative to paying it is a necessary hire.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

falseprofit wrote: post #30
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

Maybe if someone is “amazing” you should get them a green card.

should vs. could. vs. ought. vs. can

Strikes again

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by coding123 »

shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

Sending this to Elon...

And quoting to capture the illegal activity:

'''shmatt 47 minutes ago | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost J...

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee'''

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by [deleted] »

shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by coliveira »

huvarda wrote: post #40

I wonder when the job market is going to implode via AI applicants applying for fake jobs in an ouroboros of slop

I believe at this point this is the patriotic thing to do. Everyone should start creating fake accounts and posting fake applications to these online jobs so the whole system implodes. Then companies will have to start doing something else.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by thrwaway_hn_alt »

oriel wrote: post #17

A question I've had on my mind for a while now, watching this progression of fake or poisoned jobs, and miles of automatic systems to navigate: At what point do people consider the well poisoned? Where they just check out and stop applying, to specific companies or in general, because its very very obvious that there isnt actually a valid hiring market at all. I ask this question, because I've already passed this thr…

I am in this position.

In the last few months I've submitted dozens of job applications for positions where, as articulated by another commenter upthread, the person writing the JD could have been writing it based on my resume.

15+ YOE, interesting work, promotions with progression of responsibility and impact, deep experience working with executives on the business side, side projects, volunteering experience, I speak multiple natural languages (I even tried applying for some "international" roles), etc.

0 responses apart from "we're going with other candidates". Not even so much as a phone screen.

Inbound recruiting stream has dried up as well. In 2017-2018 I was getting a dozen or more emails from recruiters weekly. Now I get maybe one a month, typically for C2H or a full-time role w/ at least a 20% pay cut.

I've shifted my focus to entrepreneurial work and sharpening skills outside of tech.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

projectazorian wrote: post #136
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, h1b hiring practices have been shady at best for atleast a decade. For everyone that just doesn’t want to fire a coworker there is someone taking advantage of cheap labor that is easier to control under the threat of deportation. The h1b program is supposed to be for people at the top of their field so they can skip the normal visa line, but it is commonly used to save money through exploitation. A long time ago…

> The h1b program is supposed to be for people at the top of their field so they can skip the normal visa line, but it is commonly used to save money through exploitation. Incorrect - such people already qualify for green cards under the "alien of extraordinary ability" criterion. At least in theory, anyway. There is no "normal visa line" btw, unless you mean the green card diversity lottery, which people from eg. In…

You’re right, I was a bit hyperbolic there. Though it is supposed to be for skilled jobs that a capable american is not available to do.
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