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Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#151

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It is customary to revoke the right of a business to name itself if there were too many violations. If you've ever gone to a nightclub or bar which has no name, only its street address number, that's what has happened there.

How can a business function without a name? So much tax paperwork requires a name. Is it just a sole proprietor that files everything under the owners name?

It has a name, but that name cannot be different from the address, like "The 1415 Club" on 1415 Main St.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#152

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So much of the world is still based on who you know. This is a bug in our society I would really, really like to see fixed in my lifetime.

The fix is called "legal system", or rather, also making it accessible for individuals and small businesses against the large mega corporations without risking getting bankrupt in case of losing. And companies that continuously lose in judgements get fined progressively until they establish enough support infrastructure to not be a burden on society.

Small claims court often works, depending upon jurisdiction.

Where I am there is no forced disclosure, no costs costs assigned, and it is $150 to file.

And while a lawyer can represent a large firm, an employee has to be present, and the lawyer cannot use excessive legalise, the court is carried on in plain language... with the judge expaining things to you if you don't userstand.

That's pretty accessible.

The biggest risk is not knowing about no required discovery, and costs. Lawyers for big corp will ask for things, and hope you work your tail off. I just say no.

They will also elude to how expensive this will be, to which I typically snort.

Said large companies typically spend 50k to 100k on lawyers, and I spend $150 and a dozen or two hours of my personal time.

All very amusing.

Anyhow, a good equalizer.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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I really disagree with pulling the power dynamic angle into focus here. Injustice can also be carried out by the "little man", sometimes even at scale, and is every bit as awful to remedy if not even more so. The issue is with the issue: people/systems (big and small) blacklisting an ownable identifier pointing to some ownable content without any care for the lifecycle of either. Painting this with a social brush is…

> The issue is with the issue: people/systems (big and small) blacklisting an ownable identifier pointing to some ownable content without any care for the lifecycle of either. Does the lifecycle matter much, though? Kind of like a carfax report. Tells you whether a vehicle you’re buying has been in an accident before (if it has, the value goes down because maybe there’s some latent issue that isn’t obvious at the tim…

A carfax report lists issues with the actual car. You don’t want a car with “car exploded” in the carfax report, since this would translate to actual damage in the car, damage which could actually affect you if you were to drive the car.

On the other hand, a domain reputation at Google et al. is more like Carfax reporting “This car was once parked at the same street where a horrific mass murder took place.” If this was a problem since, let’s assume for the sake of argument, the police would pull you over all the time if you drove it, it would still not be a problem with the actual car; the problem would be the police, and fixing police behavior would be the only workable solution. Using Carfax as an analogy still places the blame on the domain owner, not on Google et al.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#154

A client of mine once swapped over to a new domain that was coincidentally one letter away from another major domain. It wasn't an attempt to typosquat or anything nefarious, but Chrome started automatically showing everyone a big scary warning page before entering the site. We looked into appealing it but there was no guarantee of it getting whitelisted in a timely manner, so we ended up canceling the domain migrati…

I wonder if it would be a reasonable requirement of registrars to now allow domains to be purchased if they are some edit distance away from existing/active domains. Its fine if Google wants to protect its users, but ideally this would be caught sooner.

Defining “active” seems like the tricky part

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#155

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> It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former. This doesn't seem like that hard of a problem to solve, because these are domains with negative reputation, i.e. worse than zero. So if a) the domain is no longer hosting any of the stuff previously complained about and b) is no longer receiving new complaints over a period of a year, it costs…

3 assumptions that from my read are baked into your comment. - Any empty domain starts with the same reputation - Registering a new domain is a 0 cost action - The eng effort to reset domain reputation is 0 Certain domains are used by abusers more often, usually due to them being cheaper. Forcing them to move domains is extra friction to the abusers which "haunted" domains force more than the proposed new system. For…

> Any empty domain starts with the same reputation

What basis would you have to do otherwise, and if there is something (like TLD), why wouldn't "resetting to zero" in terms of past content just mean resetting to that zero?

> Registering a new domain is a 0 cost action

No, that registering a new domain has a similar cost to renewing an existing domain, which is a valid assumption. In fact, the new domains are often cheaper because registrars often discount the initial registration as a loss leader with the expectation that people will make future renewals at a higher price.

> The eng effort to reset domain reputation is 0

It is the job of the party operating that system to make it operate as correctly as feasible. Needlessly causing collateral damage purely out of laziness and unaccountability is how you get people showing up at government offices demanding for you to be regulated or broken up, if not showing up at your offices with a disposition to cause bodily harm.

> Certain domains are used by abusers more often, usually due to them being cheaper.

Running out of domain names is physically impossible. There are more possible domain names in any given TLD than there are atoms in the observable universe. So the low price is going to be the price set by the registry for that TLD.

Whether the TLD itself has some reputation is orthogonal to the reputation of one domain in that TLD relative to another one in the same TLD. Moreover, you would presumably do the same thing for the TLD -- if one TLD is doing promotion and has $1 registrations this year and then gets used for a lot of scams, and then next year it costs $15 and so do the renewals so the scammers move to a different TLD, the reputation of the TLD should be reset just the same as the individual domains.

> Even if the new system was marginally better, it could be a large eng effort and not worth pursuing.

If the primary goal is to reduce engineering effort then the obvious solution is to delete the entire reputation system so it doesn't have to be maintained anymore. If the primary goal is to make it work well then you have to, well, you know.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#156

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> not what work resources are for Employees are not robots. They are human beings. Sometimes human beings have human problems that need the assistance of other humans. This makes humans happier and more productive. It's depressing to think that there are people who actually believe that optimal use of work resources is even worth calling out as an issue. In 2024.

>actually believe that optimal use of work resources is even worth calling out as an issue. Setting aside moral arguments, if it raises to the level of embezzlement, it’s a crime.

I think (hope) the vast majority of people do not believe that asking the CSIO why their website is blocked is embezzlement.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#157

A client of mine once swapped over to a new domain that was coincidentally one letter away from another major domain. It wasn't an attempt to typosquat or anything nefarious, but Chrome started automatically showing everyone a big scary warning page before entering the site. We looked into appealing it but there was no guarantee of it getting whitelisted in a timely manner, so we ended up canceling the domain migrati…

I wonder if it would be a reasonable requirement of registrars to now allow domains to be purchased if they are some edit distance away from existing/active domains. Its fine if Google wants to protect its users, but ideally this would be caught sooner.

That would be a pain...

Look at the milka.fr problems... Milka is also a female name over here, and that already proved to be a problem in france. But so are Mirka and Minka so yeah... no domain for them? Also Micka. Oh and mivka is (beach) sand. Want to sell beach sand? It's just one letter away from milka, so no domain for you either.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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It gets reset every year so how would it be more effective?

A system gets reset, what happens in obscure places like old HN content?

The search index knows when the first time it saw that old link was. If it was before the reset, regard it as pointing to a different domain than the current one.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

#159
One risk of pre-validating a domain before purchase is that it's not a good idea to tell strangers about your interest in such a property.

Even automated queries are likely to spill the beans. Someone else could snag the purchase before you, or bid up the price. But it's a risk you may need to calculate.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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https://www.neotokyo.com I have a +100 cel backlog that I need to catalog and photograph. Was planning to do it this holiday season so check back in.

Did you get anything from the Heritage auction last week? They had a ton of good stuff.

I watched closely and bid on a few but didn’t pull trigger. I am eyeing a few private pieces and saving my budget.
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