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Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by falcor84 »

sshine wrote: post #132
canes123456 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it even not available to competitors? Visual studio is open source. Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Not doing something like this would make Copilot at a disadvantage.

> Visual studio is open source Sort of. The core is, and the installable binaries with telemetry and properietary extensions are not. The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/ > Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Yes, in their recent interview with Lex Fridman they argued that life as an extension is too limiting. The main reason…

> Why jump through hoops to make competitors better able

Because that is the competitive philosophy that allowed VS Code win in this space. It fits with that great quote from Bill Gates: "A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it, exceeds the value of the company that creates it."

By having VS Code give a priority to another MS/GitHub product that they aren't willing to give competitors, they're diminishing VS Code's value as a platform, and encouraging competitors to build their own IDEs rather than building on top of it.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by solardev »

jimmaswell wrote: post #150
solardev wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Microsoft. Microsoft never changes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

where's the embrace step? vscode is their own product in the first place.

So was IE, back in the day, when they first "embraced" the web.

Today's "embrace" is of the web dev ecosystem, which before VSCode's dominance consisted of Jetbrains, other IDEs, text editors, etc.

Now with VScode and Github, they control much of the dev ecosystem, shrink competitors' marketshares by making them free to end-users (subsidized by other Microsoft businesses), expand them with new capabilities (even before secret APIs), etc.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by falcor84 »

jimmaswell wrote: post #150
solardev wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Microsoft. Microsoft never changes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

where's the embrace step? vscode is their own product in the first place.

Arguably VS Code was their way of "embracing" what GitHub were doing with Atom.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by nar001 »

sshine wrote: post #132
canes123456 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it even not available to competitors? Visual studio is open source. Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Not doing something like this would make Copilot at a disadvantage.

> Visual studio is open source Sort of. The core is, and the installable binaries with telemetry and properietary extensions are not. The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/ > Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Yes, in their recent interview with Lex Fridman they argued that life as an extension is too limiting. The main reason…

You're mistaken, Visual Studio Code is open source not Visual Studio, they're different

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by Suppafly »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

>Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices.

Even if it is anti-competitive, I don't care. Why should VS Code have to support alternative AI assistants in their software? I understand why people would want that, but I'm not sure why microsoft has some sort of ethical or legal burden to support it. Plus it's open source, competitors can take it for free and add their own co-pilots if they want.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by daedrdev »

Suppafly wrote: post #156
frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

>Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. Even if it is anti-competitive, I don't care. Why should VS Code have to support alternative AI assistants in their software? I understand why people would want that, but I'm not sure why microsoft has some sort of ethical or legal burden to support it. Plus it's open source, competitors can take it for free and add their own co-pilots if they want.

I think you’ve made a good point here, its not like they force you to have vscode. I feel like it wont be super popular here thoguh

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by throwaway48476 »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

Seems like a false dichotomy. Move fast is just a public undocumented unstable API.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by colechristensen »

Suppafly wrote: post #156
frenchie4111 wrote: post #13

Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? It takes a lot more time/energy to push public APIs and it's probably a very different team than the team developing the copilot extension. S…

>Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. Even if it is anti-competitive, I don't care. Why should VS Code have to support alternative AI assistants in their software? I understand why people would want that, but I'm not sure why microsoft has some sort of ethical or legal burden to support it. Plus it's open source, competitors can take it for free and add their own co-pilots if they want.

>Why should VS Code have to support alternative AI assistants in their software?

Because of the dominant position of Microsoft in various markets.

Re: Microsoft is introducing hidden APIs to VS Code only enabled for Copilot?

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Post by gortok »

canes123456 wrote: post #96
peeters wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone is reading this as intentional anti-competitive practices. While that may be true, isn't another reasonable explanation that the Copilot development team is moving as fast as they can and these sorts of workarounds are being forced through in the name of team velocity? Wouldn't another way of saying that be "the Copilot development team is leveraging their Microsoft ownership to create products in a way no…

Is it even not available to competitors? Visual studio is open source. Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork? Not doing something like this would make Copilot at a disadvantage.

> Visual studio is open source.

No it’s not. Visual Studio is a proprietary product and the latest version is Visual Studio 2022.

Visual Studio Code is open source, and it is about as close to Visual Studio as Lightning is to Lightning Bug.

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