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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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What do you mean by "permanent"?

My specific definition: 20 years later when a retired me boots up the device, it will be able to run the calculator app without shutting down.

That sounds like a hardware problem. But if the hardware works, why would you not be able to open any old app?

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I think adults should read 'majority' when someone says everyone. I will keep saying it when talking with adults as it is just easier than put all the exceptions; if some people get annoyed by it, that's not really my problem.

Alternatively you could use 'most people', or any one of several equivalent expressions, and preserve the meaning of everyone as every one. There is an aroma of manipulation around using language that gives the impression of absolute consensus even if all parties involved understand its vernacular meaning. It's embellishment in service of influencing people and rightly denounced in any context where accurate communic…

But we are not writing a scientific paper here; we are having a discussion. I guess if it matters in the scientific sense, one would be more careful; so if the discussion would be about a new type of medicine then 'cures all people' would be a stupid thing to say. Here however, it doesn't matter. But point taken: I guess I commented as HN has especially has this nasty about of commenting on things where it indeed doesn't matter, stuff like 'citation needed' or 'but it cannot be most people, because I know blah blah blah'. Pointless let's say for this phone discussion; might be relevant for a medicine/vaccine or so.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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I'm so desperately looking for a DIY portable device that does not suck to build my portable audio player, best case supporting android with any of the following custom roms: LineageOS CalyxOS GrapheneOS /e/OS I even considered making a player myself using the T113-S3 SoC, unfortunately not having the required skills. There are so many people trying to build prototypes, but this seems to be a space that is not easy t…

Not Android, but it's an open-source music player: https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara

Thank you. Yeah I did know that. For my use case it unfortunately is too clunky and it does not have headphone remote (afaik), but I really considered buying one, just in case it gets added.

In Android, headphone remote works out of the box... that's why I would like to use one. There is the HiBy M300, which in my opinion would be worth having a custom rom :-) Indeed there seems to be efforts.

https://github.com/reindex-ot/hiby_digital_m300

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hiby-digital-m300-android-di...

https://store.hiby.com/products/hiby-digital-m300

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Apparently it is based on Halium, so it's probably not going to run mainline Linux any time soon. On the other hand, I'm less happy with Android than I pretty much ever have been, so having some more options outside of relatively unusable Linux phones and being stuck with modified Android firmware certainly does not hurt. I am definitely interested, especially if the team working on it is as active as it seems they a…

I work on this device. We are currently QAing the latest update with our community, which contains a lot of goodies and improvements shaped directly from community feedback. You can see previous changelogs at https://furilabs.com/changelog I am obviously a little biased, but this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use. Someone in our community switched from iPhone to this without much of an is…

The Sailfish OS phones are in some use, and they've been running full blown linux since 2013.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Afraid not. These things usually require hardware attestation to ensure you're running the exact software Google wants you to run. Now, if someone figured out a way to bypass it, that would probably work for a bit. But it's a cat and mouse game.

It's not just what Google wants you to run, it's what Google promises to some of its customers through a face it has on one of numerous facets(facing banks in this case) as what they let users do with phones, and a humanware chain of trust that allows the server and the phone to be viewed as sort-of secure computing environment. From an idealist standpoint, it shouldn't be done that way by taking away rights from use…

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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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LTE set that back by a lot. For years there were no VoLTE implementations in common use other than stuffs on Android. Even those had compatibility issues and lots of carriers still block unapproved clients trying to register on VoLTE. For 3G, you could always do that. You only needed the right modem module with voice call support and audio I/O, like bare PCM pins, and a host micro to handle AT commands.

> there were no VoLTE implementations in common use other than stuffs on Android What's wrong with the Android one - is it not permissively licensed? I think the biggest problem of Linux phones is the community's obsession with trying (and failing) to reimplement (multiple times, in parallel) things that Android does really well and can be used as-is. That's why the PinePhone or Librem 5 still can't even match the us…

disclaimer: just an old grumpy customer, not an industry expert.

There were pointless debates around ITU-T and 3GPP as to whether the LTE is 3.5G or 3.9G or 4G next to the pink fact elephant that _it_ is going to be _the_ next cell standard anyway. That hot debate delayed voice call discussions to post-launch matter that eventually coagulated as the VoLTE.

The Voice-over-LTE was a total kludge together that were(ARE) carrier specific implementations. In Japan at least, it seemed to have had push from KDDI, esp. with hindsight that NTT docomo and Fujitsu, both formerly influential in 3G, both seemed on fire majority of that timeframe, while Nokia being a supernova beyond fire. It would be very natural if Samsung would have made vital contributions, but I don't have much informational pressure from that direction. VoLTE is phone company mannerisms, remnants of retro-futuristic media features of 3G, weird spaghetti codes from carrier labs, and international call exchange system, all homogenized in a blender; the artefacts were co-developed pair of server and client implementations that are standardized in the way there aren't many implementations but not something carefully spec-worked before construction for interoperability. That all happened ~a decade ago. Some point between Android 4 to 10.

I suppose it was all retconned into 3GPP standards after action, but the whole stack is still like a lobotomized Android call app and private fork of Asterisk embedded into the cellular core monstrosity. I guess embedded modem people(like Quectel) had finally got to port functions into modem chip firmwares so they can make calls, after someone done it for non-smartphones(KaiOS, Smarterphone...), I think around 2019 +/- 1 year.

What I'm trying to say is, VoLTE is complicated. It's something like SIM-authenticated SIP/RTP over IP under IP, not even regular 3G data session let alone SIP-VoIP on Layer 3 UDP/IP.

Osmocom project Wiki summarizes it better than I[1]: "Voice over LTE is an adaptation by 3GPP to use IMS over an LTE cellular network. The LTE EPS (Evolved Packet System) provides the functionality of the underlying IP-CAN. ... IMS is much more than normal SIP/RTP. And in addition to that, there is a tight integration between the LTE system and the IMS on top of it."

And it's supposed to be the core feature of a phone, "not".toupper() a party trick... There are better things to do in life for most people.

1: https://osmocom.org/projects/foss-ims-client/wiki/VoLTE

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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>Mediatek

If in any doubt about whether to buy this, look at Planet Computers offerings and the quality of their Linux build. They have been offering Mediatek-based Linux phones for several years. Spoiler: garbage with ancient proprietary kernel, thanks to Mediatek

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Microsoft at one point was running full NT on ARM on phones. I think they could've done it within such price range, but didn't.

Didn't they? The Lumia 950 launched at about $500ish and supported Continuum. Continuum wasn't exactly full convergence, but it was kind of close. As I recall, they had a desktop dock and a laptop like dock, that you could pair your phone to (wireless or wired). Microsoft was big on their 'universal windows app' concept at the time, where universal meant actually only ran on a small fraction of windows devices. sigh

aw. I completely forgot about that. Why didn't it just work? Was it... during those "we invest all our cash to everything needed for total Win32 dominance but boldly let it rot in the backlot" days of Microsoft... yes yes it was.

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> that can actually, imagine this, make and, to complicate matters even further, even take calls Showing how different different people are. I've probably made... 20? ish? phone calls in the last decade. (I'm 46.)

Holy moly, you must have very different life than most people I guess. I am from the younger generation which supposedly avoids making old-style phone calls as much as possible and I don't think I know anyone who has made less than 100 calls in the last decade.

I always wonder why your generation avoids such calls... Voice calls are so much more efficient to get the things you want from the person you call...
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