Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by Zaim3 » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:55 AM UTC

masry wrote: post #136

throwaway64 wrote: post #135

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what an absurdly wrongheaded statement, do you really think that Google depended on patent protection to stop others from using PageRank, and even if they did, how could it ever be conclusively proven that PageRank was used by somebody else?

What the hell? How is the PageRank patent not protection to Google? If Yahoo, LiveSearch and whatever other famous search engine just went ahead and ripped off Google then Google wouldn't be the Google we know now... Proving it shouldn't be any more difficult than asserting any patent. The defendant would have to show how they're ranking pages I would imagine, and if there's an infringement, they're found guilty.

"What the hell? How is the PageRank patent not protection to Google?"

Because it belongs to Stanford University, not Google.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:56 AM UTC

vacri wrote: post #123

gatlin wrote: post #10

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Yes. It has the choice not to (ab)use the law in this fashion and yet it does. Assuming free will - which is the only sane assumption to keep this conversation focused and tractable - then yes. I can blame them for their own actions.

Especially since Apple's long-standing mottos are think different/we do things differently to the rest of the pack.

They do.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:59 AM UTC

ericdykstra wrote: post #40

Does this kind of thing make anyone happy? Does anyone feel better about Apple the company because of this? It would be nice if supposedly innovative companies could, you know, just keep innovating instead of worrying about copycats catching up on stale technology (in this case, I don't think it's even clear that there is any sort of copycat-like activity). Apple makes a few excellent products, but this kind of thing…

For all those "I am not buying Apple product anymore"—will you please also shut up about Apple then? Thanks. Because if you truly cared you would go for fixing situation with pattents.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 11:01 AM UTC

gergles wrote: post #90

ThePherocity wrote: post #62

There is no abuse of the law, there is law, and there is not law. Using the law is not an abuse, regardless of what it may seem from the cheap seats where we are all sitting. If you don't like it, fix the laws.

The law is intended, in the Constitution, to 'promote the progress of [technology]'. Using the patent system to browbeat your competitors out of business by wielding bullshit imaginary software patents does not promote the progress of anything but Apple's business. Therefore, it is clearly an abuse of the law.

Well, fix the courts then. They should make sure laws are applied as intendend, shouldn't they?

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 11:02 AM UTC

Maascamp wrote: post #143

oemera wrote: post #126

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5 years of iOS work and the only thing you can find is "notification center"? It's not even a copy. It's not close to what it is on Android. I just stop here. It doesn't make any sense to argue about this anymore. I just hope this copying just stops and everyone can have it's own innovative feature and not copied crap!

Are you 6?

So, what else was stolen? And compare Android before iPhone anouncement and after.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 11:31 AM UTC

juliano_q wrote: post #98

rorrr wrote: post #45

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It makes Apple happy. But fuck them. I will not spend a dime on their products anymore (iPod/iPhone 3/Iphone 4 owner).

I agree with you and I am feeling a little guilty for just having received my new Macbook Pro (had an old macbook white previously). I am just not being happy buying their products anymore in consequence of their actions. I am using Android phones for a few years and it just feels right to me, I think it is because my views are much more aligned with Google.

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Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by beedogs » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 12:14 PM UTC

If Apple keeps pissing off all the vendors it needs to work with, pretty soon they'll have to start fabbing their own fucking chips for their phones.

This is getting out of hand. And I'm blaming Apple for most of the lunacy.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by slavak » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 12:42 PM UTC

chj wrote: post #38

What A Patent Hell. FYI: The patents held against Android: 1. A means of detecting and marking up data like a phone number or an e-mail address, and then initiating a phone call or an e-mail when the linked data is clicked 2. A means of searching multiple databases and sources for data. 3. A slide to unlock feature. 4. An autocorrect-type function that completes the word as a user types and allows the user to accept…

Seems like the reason the US patent system is so fucked-up is the logical disconnect between the two following concepts:

* The USPTO approves most patents applications without the most cursory examination by a qualified person. * Patents granted by the USPTO are assumed to be valid unless overturned by a court of law.

You can't have it both ways and still expect a logical result.

And seriously, how the hell did #4 up there even get approved? Did the examiner rubber-stamping that mess seriously never in his entire life use Microsoft Word?

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by slavak » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 12:46 PM UTC

ThePherocity wrote: post #62

There is no abuse of the law, there is law, and there is not law. Using the law is not an abuse, regardless of what it may seem from the cheap seats where we are all sitting. If you don't like it, fix the laws.

There is most definitely such a thing as abuse of the law. The law should be followed in spirit, not only in letter. The courts often underscore this, but unfortunately by that point it's already too late, as the abuse has been done.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by slavak » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 12:49 PM UTC

oemera wrote: post #120

pook1e wrote: post #114

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> They just freaking copied Siri. This article is about the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, which doesn't have any integrated voice assistant as far as I am aware. > Eric Schmidt just stole every inch of the iPhone... While it may be true that Android has "stolen" certain things from the iPhone, there are also plenty of things that the iPhone has also "stolen" from Android. Saying Android copies everything that Apple does whil…

AFAIK you would voice assistant in Android 4.1 which is damn similar what Apple introduced with Siri. I really can't understand how some people can just ignore the fact that there happens a big stolen product here. How on earth will you argue that Google has now a similar voice assistant like Siri without copying Siri. You don't want to say it is coincendence, do you? People always claim Apple had stolen from Android…

I had voice search on my Android way before Siri was introduced. It could even perform basic actions, like telling it "Go to Wikipedia." Granted, it never pretended to be some kind of virtual assistant, but where exactly do you draw the line? Can I claim that Apple stole Google's idea by taking their voice search feature, adding some extra abilities and dressing it up with a fake personality?