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HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Reasons why it probably wasn't Hal Finney. 1. Satoshi emailed me at the same time Hal was taking part in a marathon. Yes, technically emails can be delayed, but ... why? There was no urgency in those discussions. 2. Hal preferred to write C and was still writing C up until the moment he sadly passed away. Satoshi wrote in modern(ish) C++. Note that the same problem applies for Len Sassaman and basically everyone who…

Hi Mike. Please provide the complete enclosing headers of the email in question, along with their DKIM signature. The header trace will help dispel any allegations that the messages were delayed for technical reasons or were otherwise corrupted.

Satoshi's email provider didn't use DKIM. Even if they had the keys would have long since been rotated.

That's OK though - you're the only one insinuating that I faked the emails, nobody else ever has. You won't come out and say it directly of course, because if you had to spell out this theory explicitly it would sound obviously idiotic.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Hi Mike. Please provide the complete enclosing headers of the email in question, along with their DKIM signature. The header trace will help dispel any allegations that the messages were delayed for technical reasons or were otherwise corrupted.

Satoshi's email provider didn't use DKIM. Even if they had the keys would have long since been rotated. That's OK though - you're the only one insinuating that I faked the emails, nobody else ever has. You won't come out and say it directly of course, because if you had to spell out this theory explicitly it would sound obviously idiotic.

This is a standard request. I find your response confusing. Every other party that produced messages from Satoshi produced the headers without being asked or on request. Particularly when people are assigning a lot of significance to the timestamps the headers are quite interesting.

As far as key rotation goes, never to miss an XKCD386 opportunity: It's often pretty easy to go find historic keys and them confirm that they the correct ones by testing against contemporaneous messages received by other parties from the same domains or which got captured in places like public email archives.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Audits, same as anything else.

What I mean is how would I prove that I once possessed the key to a wallet?

Why, are you taking notes on how to perform a criminal conspiracy?

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have late 2010 backups with a copy of the "Design of a secure timestamping service with minimal trust requirements" paper. It was rendered with a January 2009 copy of ghostscript. Just based on the dates there are reasonable odds my copy is the same one Satoshi had. Satoshi contacted the authors he cited for information on how to correctly cite their work, he didn't actually ha…

> I don't have a dog in this fight Neither do I, I was simply comparing them from a Bayesian point of view. There is indeed no "smoking gun". What you say about the citation is possible but I estimate that it's more likely he had a physical copy (I would change my mind about that if we found out he had indeed contacted the authors for citation information). Also, Sassaman has some important points in his favor that P…

> 1) he is dead. I find it unlikely that Satoshi is still alive and even more unlikely that he is still alive and very publicly involved in Bitcoin.

As morbid as it is we should all admit we want Sassaman to be Satoshi. It would be undeniably a better outcome for Bitcoin. I hope it can be proved personally.

What I don’t understand is why his wife wouldn’t help prove this. It would be in her interest in my opinion and likely the drives and systems he used can be tracked down and confirmed as either destroyed or still encrypted.

Satoshi’s coins are the elephant in the room. If the world is really headed towards a Bitcoin reserve world and value of a coin comtinuing to increase… then the Satoshi hoard can make him the first trillionare. The uncertainty around control of those coins is probably already a tail risk uncertainty that is holding back Bitcoin.

Back to Peter Todd it’s curious he was also actively working on distributed timestamping in 2007/8 apparently. Though I have yet to track down his code and only recently learned this.

If you didn’t watch the doc you probably should we have to acknowledge Todd’s and Back’s body language was definitely at a minimum curious.

My biggest concern is all 3 identified - Back, Maxwell, and Todd appear to be engaged in deflection and confusion tactics. They seem to promote this narrative that it’s best we don’t know who Satoshi was and so many people could be etc, I don’t buy that reasoning.

I hope Sassaman is Satoshi. Why not start having candidates show some alibis like Mike Kern has done for Finney … which curiously nullc has just questioned, though I’m glad he has, we should see the email headers the more we know to help track down Satoshi the better at this point imho. I’m aware many Bitcoiners seem to disagree with that opinion and it’s notable Back has not released his supposed correspondence with Satoshi at all.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Why people want to find satoshi ?

Because he wrote everyone he wasn't important and asked everyone to focus on the main objective which was his creation. Seriously: IDK I am all puzzled. Looks like a start of a religion (^^).

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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> I don't have a dog in this fight Neither do I, I was simply comparing them from a Bayesian point of view. There is indeed no "smoking gun". What you say about the citation is possible but I estimate that it's more likely he had a physical copy (I would change my mind about that if we found out he had indeed contacted the authors for citation information). Also, Sassaman has some important points in his favor that P…

> 1) he is dead. I find it unlikely that Satoshi is still alive and even more unlikely that he is still alive and very publicly involved in Bitcoin. As morbid as it is we should all admit we want Sassaman to be Satoshi. It would be undeniably a better outcome for Bitcoin. I hope it can be proved personally. What I don’t understand is why his wife wouldn’t help prove this. It would be in her interest in my opinion and…

> Satoshi’s coins are the elephant in the room. [...] tail risk uncertainty that is holding back Bitcoin.

New protocol rule: all coinbase outputs from before block 105,000 are unspendable after block 1,050,000.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Headline: ‘I am not Satoshi Nakamoto’: Subject of HBO documentary denies he invented bitcoin https://lite.cnn.com/2024/10/08/investing/satoshi-nakamoto-i...

Is there anything positive at all in the Crypto industry? CO2 emissions, fraud, attacking democracy is on the negative side. What’s on the positive? Why is it still legal? It feels like Crypto at the systemic level is an open vulnerability not an asset. It’d be nice to have this vulnerability to get fixed.

If it weren't for crypto, zero-knowledge technology would have been lame

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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The genesis block has a message from a relatively obscure British newspaper in it (The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks). Not something I would expect a frontier Canadian in their 20s to be sourcing from. That and various other evidence (coding style, british-english spelling) has suggested to me for a long time that it's an older gentleman from the UK, likely with an academic backgro…

The Times is not an obscure paper, but if you'd like some fodder: the headline Satoshi used is from the print edition rather than the online edition which was different. That said, Satoshi was clearly extremely diligent in concealing their identity, and so they may well have purposefully decided to use a headline that they wouldn't have had ordinary access too-- when someone is trying to conceal themselves it creates…

Satoshi connected to IRC from a residential IP address in Los Angeles in 2009. So there was a point in time where all it would have taken was a subpoena to find him. Now those records probably don't exist. Unless that was a Tor exit or one of those socks5 proxy type services. I remember there was an archive of the Tor consensus files going back really far that I can no longer find, so it'd be possible to check if it was.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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> 1) he is dead. I find it unlikely that Satoshi is still alive and even more unlikely that he is still alive and very publicly involved in Bitcoin. As morbid as it is we should all admit we want Sassaman to be Satoshi. It would be undeniably a better outcome for Bitcoin. I hope it can be proved personally. What I don’t understand is why his wife wouldn’t help prove this. It would be in her interest in my opinion and…

> Satoshi’s coins are the elephant in the room. [...] tail risk uncertainty that is holding back Bitcoin. New protocol rule: all coinbase outputs from before block 105,000 are unspendable after block 1,050,000.

Something like your proposal will have to be included in any future hard fork that takes Bitcoin dark by adding full privacy. It’s likely miners will one day embrace such a fork if governments become hostile to their business.
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