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Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Apparently in the US you require the "requisite character qualifications to be and remain a Commission (Amateur Radio) licensee." https://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-upholds-decision-to-revoke-ama... Starlink's character qualification is whether you pay their bill.

Starlink itself is the FCC license holder, not you as a private user. This means that Starlink is the one that needs to stay in the good graces of the government, and inherits the obligation to monitor the activities of their users. I guarantee you if you're using Starlink to commit crimes, they're going to drop you as a customer.

They haven't dropped me yet!

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#152
post #101

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It's for disaster relief efforts, not to provide the monopolies who will be rebuilding the infrastructure a free pass.

I’m not sure how disaster recovery will be over in a month, or how monopolies will become major Starlink users undetected.

The monopolies are Comcast, charter, quest etc who usually have exclusionary rights to serve high speed Internet over cable/fiber.

Free starlink is meant to be a temporary patch to aid evacuation and lifesaving efforts until the communities can be reconnected physically.

If anything, the monopolists should be paying for their customers to get free starlink until their own networks are back up.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#153
post #91

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So someone who doesn’t need to make money is building blimps to revolutionize air transport and you are proposing that company is going to then halt business during storms and travel to and float over hurricane recovery areas?

yep exactly. he has stated (as the article does) that delivering humanitarian aid to disaster areas is one of the main goals

I can see either a philanthropic/vanity project or (maybe? very optimistically?) a profitable business, but not both.

Areas in need of humanitarian aid provided by airships is a too-small niche to (re-)develop entirely new flight technology.

Geeks like blimps, and they need a story, that is all that is.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#154

There would likely be 20K starlink terminals available in the are had the FCC not revoked their participation. Would probably be handy about now. https://twitter.com/ajtourville/status/1840577643839955098

You have it exactly backwards.

These extra terminals are available because the FCC revoked their participation. If they had not, right now those terminals would be in the Midwest or other areas far from Helene.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#155
post #85

Despite the hate on the promo the tech they offer is still pretty cool. Only way I knew my in-laws were safe near Asheville was because one of their neighbors had starlink and a generator. Took a week for them to get power and cell phone service back and there is no way to get to them without a helicopter so if it wasn't for the product we would have just learned that they were alright.

>Despite the hate on the promo What does "hate on the promo" mean?

Likelihood of word "hate" appearing in musk-related topics is beyond sus

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#156

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FEMA has no budget for it

What did they spend this years budget on specifically? I think the majority of this country views them as the go to for "Emergency Management" at the federal level. Are they using their money on other things that are not related?

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Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#157
post #143

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Let’s be pessimistic and say it’s ~25km^2 with current designs. Surface area of the earth is 510,064,472 km² so you estimate limits things to ~20 million satellites X however they can slice up the available spectrum. IE essentially unlimited satellites. As of September 2024 they have 6,371 operational satellites and ~ 4 million customers globally.

How is that relevant? Adding satellites over the Pacific doesn't improve New York's service. The question is how dense of a population they can serve, not how many satellites Starlink could theoretically have.

The only way to add one satellite over NYC on average is to also add several satellites over the ocean and other low density parts of the earth. If you want low latency individual satellites must be in LEO which means they spend most of their time over water and low density bits of land.

Which gets back to my original point where increasing the maximum density inherently reduces the average utilization of each satellite. There simply aren’t enough people living in Iowa etc to balance the east coast.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Curious…it’s not been a week yet? It certainly feels longer. Glad to know they’re alright. My family is in Swannanoa, and still without power and water.

Edited to a week. I was actually shocked how quickly my in-laws got power back with how widespread the destruction was and how many of the roads are out. They have well water so as soon as power was back on they obviously have water.

In Asheville / if you're close to the river, it's still recommended to boil your water. (I'm in Marshall ~700ft higher than downtown, so I'm assuming it's fine where I am, but guidance has been non-specific.)

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

#159
post #14

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It is weird what happens when you privatize so much and then find out too late it isn’t profitable for companies to have fleets of emergency internet blimps primed and ready to go 24/7.

The only mobile provider in Costa Rica was government owned, hugely profitable, subsidized internet and landlines, and was mandated to provide internet to every single citizen. In urban areas, they had to make sure every single house had mobile coverage. And courts made them comply. Then came the US around year 2002 and forced the country to a free market, and paradise was lost. Everything is US level now (more expen…

Did Costa Rica get an IMF loan around that time?

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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The recent spending bill did not include additional funding for the Disaster Relief Fund. https://www.newsweek.com/johnson-house-passes-spending-bill-...

I appreciate the insight, this prompted me to poke around the FEMA site and see how transparent they are - to my shock, they actually did a good job of presenting the cost breakdowns and where the money goes. This kind of surprised me though: https://www.fema.gov/grants/preparedness/shelter-services-pr... I knew that the government was paying big money to buy up hotels and other migrant shelters, but had no idea $640…

Quibbling over $640M over something that will be dozens of billions of dollars. Katrina's costs to FEMA was >$100B. Good chance this will be even more.

The people complaining about the $640 million would still be complaining if it was $200M. Or $1M. Or one dollar.

> It feels like this money should be coming out of the ICE budget or some other agency

FEMA is the agency that's built-up processes and procedures for helping people get housing and other aid, because that is one of its main focuses. That's not what ICE does, they enforce immigration and customs. We're complaining about waste in government but you're wanting lots of agencies specializing in the same thing.

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