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Re: The best $4 ever spent

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Certainly it's true that kids can get a lot of joy out of something that to an adult seems really small or boring. But the flip side is kids can get totally emotionally distraught or enraged over tiny things. Are these two sides of the same coin, and come from having just a smaller world, where small things can feel very big to a developing brain? Or as an adult with a fully-formed brain and access to the larger worl…

I don’t think it’s an either or. They are two sides of the same coin in that “kids experience stronger emotions”, but my experience leads me to see multiple reasons for that.

There’s the external trigger and how it fits into their life experience. Something that may be a 6/10 fun for you may literally be the most fun the child has ever had because they have less life experience. Something that’s a 2/10 pain might be literally the most pain they ever remember experiencing.

Which plays into how much practice they have managing these emotions. You get better at dealing with pain and frustration with practice. But no amount of practicing dealing with a paper cut will ever prepare you for being stabbed. Curling a 5lb dumbbell every day won’t get you to curling 100lbs.

But this is also impacted by the options they have available to respond to these emotions. As an adult if you’re frustrated you have the practice, fully realized autonomy, and societal trust to make real changes to address the issues in front of you. You don’t need to deal with this entirely internally. As a child, often your options essentially boil down to “deal with it”. And even as they expand, it takes time to practice with the new options available to you.

So an adult will experience the emotions less heightened and they also have more practice and better tools for handling them. The child will experience a stronger emotion, have little practice in managing the emotion, and few other options to address the overall situation.

Which can easily get into a negative feedback loop. Something is frustrating. The emotion is strong and you don’t know what to do about it. That’s frustrating. You can’t fix the situation. That’s frustrating. Now you’re more frustrated, GOTO 10. Pretty soon the emotions have compounded into something overwhelming.

And a child, much like an adult that hits this point, is going to have a meltdown. I don’t think adults are much better equipped at handling themselves when they are experiencing overwhelming emotions, it’s just much more difficult for them to get there in the first place.

As an adult, I think you can absolutely learn to find more joy in the small things. We have to, by necessity, filter some of the small things out of our days so just being an adult doesn’t become overwhelming. Making a conscious effort to be present and aware can go a long way. This is, I think, what’s happening when people have these mundane experiences with children and find them magical—simply having the child there to point things out and force them to be aware can bring back a lot of that small joy. It will never rise to the same level as the child’s because you come into it with a greater range of experience and it often lacks the novelty, but it can be made into much more than it normally is for you. And you will certainly be dragged down much less by any negative parts of the experience.

Anyway, my two cents as someone that spends a lot of time thinking about this both in terms of managing my own emotions and happiness as well as being a dad… And someone that’s trying _very_ hard to procrastinate right now.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

#152
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've taken my older daughter to Disney (World) twice now (at ages 7 and 9). Her absolute favorite part: riding the Skyliner to EPCOT. On our second trip we went an hour out of our way to go ride it because we weren't at a served hotel that time. When pressed for a favorite activity within the park, it was "that time we ran all the way from Japan to Soarin', dodging people".

It’s so funny you mention this. My family are pretty regular Disneyland goers. Last year we finally made it to Disney World for the first time. My four “kids” were between the ages of 12-23. And I think their favorite part of the trip was the Skyliner.

How was DW compared to DL? Like yourself, I've been to DL dozens of times, but never made it to DW.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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post #26

The issue is you don’t know which of the 0-5 dollar products to spend that will make them excited. A strategy is therefore to buy lots of cheap stuff and experiences, and let the kids have the option to choose. Then throw away the stuff they don’t care for. If you buy expensive things, you tend to try to force that thing onto the kid, which can be counter productive.

Pen and paper are my go-to. Throw in a "wow that's beautiful!" And they will draw all day.

If I may amend, try a "Wow, that's beautiful! That must have taken a lot of work!" and you might keep your kid drawing long-term. It's nearly always better to praise effort over skill IMO.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That analogy seems a bit contrived, but the "button pushing" reminds me of something. At a recent dentist visit the Lidocaine local anaesthetic was accidentally injected into a (small) artery. That's when I discovered that it's a mixture that includes adrenaline, which contracts peripheral blood vessels, preventing it from dispersing too fast. Unless.. it goes directly into an artery, sending it straight into circula…

Although probably not great at the time,.. I can imagine it would be an interesting experience. Did it change how you much control you feel you have in regards to being in charge of your own thoughts and emotions?

What a great question!

Thinking about it… yes, I suppose it did change my perspective.

It made me feel a lot more empathy for the “lone woman in a dark parking lot” scenario.

It made me realise I’m a meat computer running on chemicals and I’m not as in control of my emotions as I previously liked to think.

I realised that strong feelings can occur without an apparent matching cause. Feeling good without a success, feeling bad without hurt, etc… Emotions exist in and of themselves and can be directly triggered.

Etc… probably too much to write here, and things that are probably obvious to most readers but wasn’t obvious to me until that incident.

PS: It reminds me of instinct: we humans don’t have many that can override our conscious minds, but we do have some. The feeling of drowning for example can trigger completely involuntary actions. Unless you’ve experienced something like this, you just don’t know what it’s like to have biology overrule your thoughts.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

#156
post #23

Certainly it's true that kids can get a lot of joy out of something that to an adult seems really small or boring. But the flip side is kids can get totally emotionally distraught or enraged over tiny things. Are these two sides of the same coin, and come from having just a smaller world, where small things can feel very big to a developing brain? Or as an adult with a fully-formed brain and access to the larger worl…

From what I've read, children's brains haven't fully developed the capability for emotional regulation. So not only are they less experienced, they might actually be physically incapable of managing their own emotions. Keeping this in mind helped me survive the toddler years. :)

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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I have similar memories. And I remember drawing similar conclusions. When children are little a little walk with Daddy was great. We used to walk about a whole mile for me to get a coffee and for her to get a fruit juice... and guess what ? on the way back it was bus time.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few months ago, we took our year-and-a-half-old daughter to Belgium and Spain for two weeks. Her favorite part of the whole trip was seeing horses, sheep, and geese (all of which, believe it or not, we have here at home in Canada).

When I was about seven, my sister and I were taken on a special trip to see the Giant Pandas at the National Zoo in Washington, DC. The pandas were fine, but we were fascinated by the chipmunks running around everywhere.

Given your username, I will mention the fascination of visitors with the squirrels in Washington. I know that they used to interest me when we visited my grandmother in Arlington. We had some in northern Ohio, but a) there was less tree cover, and b) a far smaller proportion of the trees were oaks.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s so funny you mention this. My family are pretty regular Disneyland goers. Last year we finally made it to Disney World for the first time. My four “kids” were between the ages of 12-23. And I think their favorite part of the trip was the Skyliner.

How was DW compared to DL? Like yourself, I've been to DL dozens of times, but never made it to DW.

I could happily go to WDW a dozen times never once stepping foot in the Magic Kingdom. Whereas DL is only the Magic Kingdom.

Re: The best $4 ever spent

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post #21
post #16

We took our kids to Disney World once. When asked what their favorite part of the trip was, they responded.. The hot tub. At the hotel. My kids light up the most when I am fully engaged with them, fully present, entertaining their ideas, and asking questions. Their favorite family trip so far? When we traveled to Arkansas to mine for crystals. AKA, dig in the dirt all day. They saw it on a YouTube video. They asked t…

Even as an adult I enjoy time when some other person I am spending time with is fully engaged and fully present, I’d call it quality time, but it’s just so rare…

Same - I hold onto friends for dear life who are capable of keeping their phone in their pocket. There is a time and a place for devices of course, but it's such a terrible feeling to be fully engaged in conversation with someone and all of a sudden they pull out their phone to get a bump of that endless scroll.
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