Centralise all the things. There is too much stuff of GitHub. From a resiliency point of view and from a monopoly point of view this is bad.
Source control is not like other systems. It's (largely) a backup of stuff that is stored elsewhere. Resilience/ monopoly concerns are much less.
Nginx has moved to GitHub
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Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
#152I loved the tech design of Nginx when it came out. However eventually its Russian provenance became too risky for my use cases. Plus I began a moral boycott of all things Russian... where I can easily enough anyway. Plenty of other choices now for web servers compared to late 90s or early 2000s.
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The person you are responding to doesn't even want to make a free account yet expects to be able to use all of Github's services for free. To be fair, definition of free depends. OPs argument was that they pay with data. That is not free if you think that you lose something. It is different question do we value it similarly.
Ok then, so that's like going to a restaurant and complaining the food costs money. Metaphoric " duh ".
The treasures belong to humanity, not the museum, but they get the honour of hosting them, and that glory reflects on their reputation (which they use to sell commercial artifact-hosting services).
Entry is completely free, and for 16 years they gave you a map as you entered. But now some marketing genius has decided you don't get a map unless you give them your name and address and join their "friends of the museum" marketing programme.
These are not good signs for someone who wants to be custodian of the world's great treasures. I would argue it would be better for the world if the treasures were housed in local museums instead.
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
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nginx is one of the building blocks inside Kubernetes. I'd say it's doing okay and probably will for the foreseeable future. I've had the chance to look into the code base and it's relatively easy to read and work with, I doubt there will ever not be funding to have people contribute.
Nginx is not one of the building blocks of Kubetnetes. It's just an Ingress controller
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
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> The alternative is having to do captchas and the like to use those features anonymously This is not the case. You may have noticed that Google Search, Bing, etc. don't require login or captcha to do a search. Billions of people use this search daily. And yet, they will throw a captcha at you, or even just say "you're a bot, stop bothering us" whether you're logged in or not , if their signals have detected what the…
The entire point of Google Search is to take in everyone , serve ads, and drive people to use other Google properties. Every user that has to jump through hoops in order to access Google Search is a net loss for them. GitHub doesn't really care all that much if random anonymous users can use their search. Anon users can view source trees, wikis, etc. and check out code, which is more than enough for most people. > Do…
It raises the question of what will they hobble or take away next to fatten their bottom line. Will they continue to be good custodians of the real treasure, which is the projects that they host?
You may remember SourceForge was a popular hosting site. Ultimately, what caused a mass exodus was that they decided to let malware creators pay them money to wrap around the installer packages of the software they were hosting.
If you're not hosting your own project, there is always this risk. Question the motives of someone who offers to host your stuff "for free" ... and then alters the deal some point down the line.
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
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Personally, I don't think this is a valid case of enshittifying. Products that you pay for that loses features or break or become more painful to use are enshittifying. A free feature that stays free but requires you to make a free account (no credit card needed), I can see at least one very valid reason: if the feature heavier than a simple page (which is the case here), then it's an open door for DDOS attacks. Bein…
> The alternative is having to do captchas and the like to use those features anonymously This is not the case. You may have noticed that Google Search, Bing, etc. don't require login or captcha to do a search. Billions of people use this search daily. And yet, they will throw a captcha at you, or even just say "you're a bot, stop bothering us" whether you're logged in or not , if their signals have detected what the…
GitHub code search is still doing real searches and so is much more expensive to run.
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally, I don't think this is a valid case of enshittifying. Products that you pay for that loses features or break or become more painful to use are enshittifying. A free feature that stays free but requires you to make a free account (no credit card needed), I can see at least one very valid reason: if the feature heavier than a simple page (which is the case here), then it's an open door for DDOS attacks. Bein…
> The alternative is having to do captchas and the like to use those features anonymously This is not the case. You may have noticed that Google Search, Bing, etc. don't require login or captcha to do a search. Billions of people use this search daily. And yet, they will throw a captcha at you, or even just say "you're a bot, stop bothering us" whether you're logged in or not , if their signals have detected what the…
Are you saying you want adds in GitHub search's results? Google, Bing, etc. make money showing you adds. Adding barriers of entry is much less in their interest. Their budget to optimize the search engine is likely much bigger than GitHub's one.
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
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Besides all of that - Github has zero obligation to provide Free services to users, let alone non-users . The person you are responding to doesn't even want to make a free account yet expects to be able to use all of Github's services for free . That's some wild entitlement. The disconnect here is unreal...
> Github has zero obligation to provide Free services to users If they didn't, most (all?) of the major OSS projects that use them would have to find an alternative. Those major OSS projects are why Github is the "central" OSS hosting place. If they move on, then it's unclear if GitHub would remain all that central after a few years. "Probably not" is my thought, though I could be wrong. :)
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The alternative is having to do captchas and the like to use those features anonymously This is not the case. You may have noticed that Google Search, Bing, etc. don't require login or captcha to do a search. Billions of people use this search daily. And yet, they will throw a captcha at you, or even just say "you're a bot, stop bothering us" whether you're logged in or not , if their signals have detected what the…
For the last seven months, Google has pushed every non-login search from my house network through a captcha; the image captcha is typically five to infinite repetitions. Audio captcha works after a single run-through, except that it is frequently "unavailable" now. I don't know why. Google won't tell me. They just started doing the same for YouTube: "Please login because we have detected malicious behavior from your…
Re: Nginx has moved to GitHub
#160I loved the tech design of Nginx when it came out. However eventually its Russian provenance became too risky for my use cases. Plus I began a moral boycott of all things Russian... where I can easily enough anyway. Plenty of other choices now for web servers compared to late 90s or early 2000s.