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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by _0ffh »

nromiun wrote: post #145
gorgoiler wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the politics of power is unavoidable no matter how well you silo your technical work from your people work. Ten years ago, Debian saw three well respected members of the Technical Committee resign — including two former project leaders, one of whom designed the .deb packaging system — during what I see as a similarly heated vote/counter-vote power struggle. This Python saga feels similar.

BDFL model seems to have worked pretty well for so many decades. Guido should have just transferred power to someone he trusted. Now look at him, he can't even comment freely.

I think the lesson is, if you should ever find yourself in the role of a BD and plan to give up control in favour of a committee or suchlike, always retain the option to throw them out and re-assume control, in case of need.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by benterix »

nromiun wrote: post #145
gorgoiler wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the politics of power is unavoidable no matter how well you silo your technical work from your people work. Ten years ago, Debian saw three well respected members of the Technical Committee resign — including two former project leaders, one of whom designed the .deb packaging system — during what I see as a similarly heated vote/counter-vote power struggle. This Python saga feels similar.

BDFL model seems to have worked pretty well for so many decades. Guido should have just transferred power to someone he trusted. Now look at him, he can't even comment freely.

This is a tough one. Guido was excellent at his role, and his decision to hand it over was a mature one. It was everybody's hope it would help to guarantee long-term future for Python, independent from corporate greed.

Now these new folks seems to be failing at the only job they had. Maybe they need more time to mature, or maybe the Python Community should take a more decisive stance towards this kind of abuse of power.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by bitcharmer »

aldfgH wrote: post #9

These are not "Python community guidelines". These are the guidelines of a tyrannical clique who have grabbed power and control the access to the infrastructure. They abuse their power by banning any opposition and then using said infrastructure to libel and defame their opponents. Google already fired one or two of them. I do not know what is required to restore the health of Python.

It's funny how drama, toxicity and speech suppresion ensues as soon as you establish a CoC and let a bunch of SJWs enforce it. Every. Single. Time.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by bitcharmer »

bb88 wrote: post #112
ein0p wrote: post #45

He should have stayed on as BDFL. Now in the power vacuum a bunch of “activists” and political enthusiasts will take over and ruin the whole thing for everyone, or at least significantly slow down the progress

I'm glad he's stepped down. His opinion matters to be sure, but python needs to be a community developed language. He's a smart guy, and he matters still to the python community. There was a tremendous amount of frustration around the walrus operator, which led to him stepping down.

Can you people just make your own projects and then ruin them in any way you want?

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by bitcharmer »

at_a_remove wrote: post #16

Aaaah, once again community guidelines and codes of conduct reveal their nature as the thin edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent.

Everything these people touch turns to shit. Look at the movies industry or gaming.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by [deleted] »

scoofy wrote: post #38

I prefer the Jimmy Wales version of authority. The project operates democratically, but Jimmy always retains the ultimate authority to act as a sovereign at the end of the day because he built it, has the reputation of the project to protect, and it's his legacy. The option to fork the project will always be there if the people want new leadership.

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by edward28 »

bitcharmer wrote: post #154
bb88 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad he's stepped down. His opinion matters to be sure, but python needs to be a community developed language. He's a smart guy, and he matters still to the python community. There was a tremendous amount of frustration around the walrus operator, which led to him stepping down.

Can you people just make your own projects and then ruin them in any way you want?

They can't. That's why they latch on like parasites to working projects.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by thinkingemote »

basementcat wrote: post #143
ggm wrote: post #25

One post. His posting rights haven't been withdrawn, it's one message in context which was elided out. [edit: I am somewhat surprised people want to down-vote a factual statement, which in part aligns to the OP who changed the title of the post since it was being wrongly inferred his posting rights had gone, not a single post was being hidden. As the saying goes "you do you"]

I also don’t fully understand why some folks are worked up. We all have posts that are downvoted and removed even here on HN. If you don’t like the steering committee or whatever, just elect a new one.

Do you understand but just don't agree?

Can we help in increasing understanding on why people have certain opinions in this topic?

Or do you kinda know why and are expressing a kind of disagreement and disapproval of holding the opinions?

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by at_a_remove »

bitcharmer wrote: post #155
at_a_remove wrote: post #16

Aaaah, once again community guidelines and codes of conduct reveal their nature as the thin edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent.

Everything these people touch turns to shit. Look at the movies industry or gaming.

I wonder if there is a good list of these kinds of incidents going on in open source. It might be helpful in trying to figure out exactly what kind of clauses and verbiage, precisely, invite these kinds of takeover attempts like some kind of demon-summoning invocation.
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