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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by ohthatsnotright »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #99
jeroenhd wrote: post #83

Took a performance benchmark in both Firefox and Brave. Both of them are unusually slow (addons/extensions disabled, fresh profile), but Firefox especially so. Source for the huge render times seems to be desktop_polymer.js, specifically the part that's registering and setting up custom web components. Once the website loads, performance becomes a lot better. My guess is that a Polymer update made Youtube slower for…

I have a strong feeling the developers behind sites like YouTube and Reddit don't actually use the software they make, because both are slow and laggy to use on any computer I use. I just can't think of any other reason why they're both so infamously bad.

Working on software rarely, especially at large companies, means you have any sort of agency over the features of the software. That's Not Your Job (TM).

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

miroljub wrote: post #16

Can confirm. Google is a new Microsoft, they leverage their position to cross promote their shit browser and their shit data stealing services. Sorry guys, if your data collection website doesn't work well with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I just won't use it.

You really think Google is trying to steal the 5% market share that Firefox has held on to?

I doubt they think about Firefox much at all.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by BenoitEssiambre »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #64
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

Imo, it's just too difficult to maintain compatibility through a natural language specification. Things like browsers need some kind of open source reference implementation to act as a spec to maintain interoperability. https://benoitessiambre.com/specification.html

A reference implementation isn't really enough either though. Think about Perl, which is implementation defined, vs Python, which is specification defined. Python is much more successful (it really ate Perl's lunch), and less of a moving target, because of this. Alternate implementations of don't really exist, because they're always having to play catch-up. Python's specifications level the field a bit.

Python has open source implementations that act as defacto standard, as specification of the details.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by gertop »

jarsin wrote: post #115
miroljub wrote: post #16

Can confirm. Google is a new Microsoft, they leverage their position to cross promote their shit browser and their shit data stealing services. Sorry guys, if your data collection website doesn't work well with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I just won't use it.

And to think Chrome was such a savior from the IE hell we all were in back in the day. It's almost like all the MS execs ended up at (do no) Evil Corp.

Your version of history is bizarre. Firefox was the one that stole the market from IE. Chrome saved us from a (at the time) very sluggish Firefox.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by nilsherzig »

markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

I can recommend leechblock a lot. It allows you to block websites using Regex and some time based rules.

You could for example block reddit from 0800 to 1900 but still open individual posts you found while using a search engine. For me (I have ADHD, but I don't think that makes the difference in this case) that's the perfect balance between usability and avoiding endless scrolling.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by inhumantsar »

mrandish wrote: post #123
Kye wrote: post #61

Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23769291

I just checked and YT is normal for me in FF 129.0.2 (64-bit). YT specific add-ons: uBlock Origin, Nova YouTube (userscript with dozens of modules to fix various YT behaviors and UI annoyances), and Enhancer for YouTube (adds more playback speeds, fixes default player size & volume levels). Since YT in my FF is heavily modified to be not awful, maybe the regression is in something my add-on stack is blocking.

> Nova YouTube

looked this up out of curiosity. the only thing resembling a description is "Combine small plugins, expanding the possibilities of YouTube." which is pretty useless.

what all does this do?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by whstl »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #120
ChocolateGod wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a strong feeling the developers behind sites like YouTube and Reddit don't actually use the software they make, because both are slow and laggy to use on any computer I use. I just can't think of any other reason why they're both so infamously bad.

As they say, you aren't the customer, the advertiser is the customer. If the site works for the 95% of ad dollars who use Chrome on their phones, it works as intended.

Even advertisers don't matter anymore, only metrics. Because they can be manipulated.

The software engineering show isn't being run by engineers, middle-managers or even MBAs anymore.

It's run by product people who treat it like a mini dictatorship.

So releases like this have to go out, no matter the consequence.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by pyrale »

VancouverMan wrote: post #91
miroljub wrote: post #16

Can confirm. Google is a new Microsoft, they leverage their position to cross promote their shit browser and their shit data stealing services. Sorry guys, if your data collection website doesn't work well with Firefox and uBlock Origin, I just won't use it.

Promoting Chrome may have gotten more people to install it and give it a try, but it didn't force those people to continue using Chrome. It didn't force them to keep using Chrome for years and years, in many cases. Most people, including a great many former Firefox users, simply chose to keep on using Chrome because it offered (and still offers) a superior web browsing experience compared to its competitors. This isn…

Bundling IE may have gotten more people to give it a try, but it didn't force those people to continue using IE. It didn't force them to keep using IE for years and years, in many cases.

Most people, including a great many former Netscape users, simply chose to keep on using IE because it offered (and still offers) a superior web browsing experience compared to its competitors.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by reaperducer »

Coincidentally, today I tried to log in to Google AdSense for the first time in months using Firefox. Google simply will not permit it.

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I checked, and my version of Firefox is up to date. I know I could play reindeer games with the user agent, but I shouldn't have to.

Surprisingly, to me, it had no problem with Duck's browser. I thought that would be on the forbidden-by-Google list, too.

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