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Post by axus »

ein0p wrote: post #128
luuurker wrote: post #108

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You've pointed out what the US is doing. That's good, but you're clearly biased, so let me tell you two things that China is doing that is contributing for that instability you've mentioned: claims in the south china sea that no country would accept if it was done to them and a major naval build up. You need two to tango and both the US and China are dancing right now. Anyone only blaming one side need to stop for a…

Take a look at a map of US bases around China and then try to find any Chinese bases near the US, and you’ll understand who’s “militarist” and who isn’t.

I found a map from a deleted Reddit account with a lot of replies about how there aren't any US-controlled bases near China. It even had one in China. I'd like a link to an accurate map since I couldn't find one.

From the list I can see on Wikipedia, all of the nearby bases are in Korea and Japan.

More useful might be a map of US forces near China, not caring about who owns the base. And some comparable maps from the last 50 years to see how it's changed over time.

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by peutetre »

ein0p wrote: post #99
BobbyJo wrote: post #91

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Confused about what point you're attempting to make here? Political conflict with a trade partner obviously leads to reduced trade, no matter the parties involved. What part of that statement are you taking issue with?

> Looks like militarism and imperialism are not compatible at that crazy new 21th century world Your faux confusion isn't really impressing anyone. Is the US, the most militarist and imperialist nation in the world by far at the moment, "compatible" with the "crazy new 21st century world"? I've also yet to see any practical examples of Chinese militarism or imperialism. I keep hearing that it's going to start happeni…

> I've also yet to see any practical examples of Chinese militarism or imperialism.

Taiwan: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8dy437pdno

Tibet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_Peo...

Xinjiang: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

The Nine Dash Line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by aquamar2 »

tmnvix wrote: post #150
missedthecue wrote: post #64

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Personally, I have been coming more around to Chinese manufactured goods. It used to be low-end crap 30 years ago, but they are market leaders in many sectors today and probably even more tomorrow. I recently drove a Chinese (ICE) SUV for the first time and was blown away by the fit, finish, and price.

I remember as a kid hearing people throw around the term "Jap crap". Not for a long time. China has been going the same way. They are now capable of making very high quality products. Taiwan went down the same route, South Korea too. In the long term, it's not China that has a problem, it's complacent western manufacturing companies. It's not just a failure to innovate. Some have used their market power to exploit co…

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Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by pohuing »

aquamar2 wrote: post #153
tmnvix wrote: post #150

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I remember as a kid hearing people throw around the term "Jap crap". Not for a long time. China has been going the same way. They are now capable of making very high quality products. Taiwan went down the same route, South Korea too. In the long term, it's not China that has a problem, it's complacent western manufacturing companies. It's not just a failure to innovate. Some have used their market power to exploit co…

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Idk about the US, but I'd be surprised if people didn't know the Chinese phone manufacturers like Huawei or OnePlus

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by aquamar2 »

pohuing wrote: post #154
aquamar2 wrote: post #153

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Idk about the US, but I'd be surprised if people didn't know the Chinese phone manufacturers like Huawei or OnePlus

I guess most people wouldn't know about the amount of backdoors that are on Chinese android phones

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by naveen99 »

alephnerd wrote: post #141
Qwertious wrote: post #66

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The reality of China is that their GDP stats are so systematically faked and so clearly don't add up that nobody actually knows whether China is economically healthy, not even Xi Jinping. In such a scenario, China could collapse at any time, and past performance is not a predictor of future results .

> GDP stats are so systematically faked At a macro-level, Chinese federal statistics are decently trustworthy in the 2020s, and there is enough transnational trade and dealflow that egregious tampering can and would be caught, and is very damaging. > China could collapse at any time There is a difference between stagnant/slowing growth (which is what is happening) and "collapse" (nowhere near that level). Nor would y…

But who has the guts to call out the emperor has no clothes. No one corrected the covid mortality numbers or even gave any kind of estimate other than the officials numbers out of ccp.

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Post by ein0p »

aquamar2 wrote: post #149
ein0p wrote: post #128

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Take a look at a map of US bases around China and then try to find any Chinese bases near the US, and you’ll understand who’s “militarist” and who isn’t.

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> repeatedly threatens to take Taiwan by force

See, the problem with this is that he never did threaten that. It's CIA propaganda. Indeed such a threat would make zero sense even logically, since from the standpoint of China (and the US State Department) Taiwan _is_ China.

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by aquamar2 »

ein0p wrote: post #157
aquamar2 wrote: post #149

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> repeatedly threatens to take Taiwan by force See, the problem with this is that he never did threaten that. It's CIA propaganda. Indeed such a threat would make zero sense even logically, since from the standpoint of China (and the US State Department) Taiwan _is_ China.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/China-s-party-congress/Xi-v...

Xi Jinping opened the Chinese Communist Party's twice-a-decade National Congress on Sunday by pledging to never renounce using force to take control of Taiwan

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/10/chinas-xi-says-outs...

Chinese President Xi Jinping has met former Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou and said that outside influence cannot stop the “family” reunion between Beijing and Taipei....Beijing views the self-ruled island as a province that must be reunited with mainland China, and it has not ruled out using force to assert its claims to Taiwan.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-calls-taiwa...

China's "reunification" with Taiwan is inevitable, President Xi Jinping said in his New Year's address on Sunday, striking a stronger tone than he did last year

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/xi-warned-biden-summit-be...

Chinese President Xi Jinping bluntly told President Joe Biden during their recent summit in San Francisco that Beijing will reunify Taiwan with mainland China but that the timing has not yet been decided

Re: China's manufacturers are going broke

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Post by illiac786 »

lenkite wrote: post #148
illiac786 wrote: post #115

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oh, I don’t debate the US have done quite a bite of imperialism and horrible things. I’m talking about today though.

Umm.. merrily bombing the middle east ? There are occupation bases in Syria merrily looting oil. And selling $20 billion in weapons to bomb the middle east even more. Americans seem to have blinkers the size of titanosaurs and a "I cannot see it" attitude when it comes to their military.

Merrily is a slightly biased way of putting it I would say, but ok, it does happen, one can dispute why.

Looting oil in Syria, I didn’t know this, do you have a source?

Now, we are comparing, right, so let’s list what china is doing, shall we?

Invading multiple neighbouring countries? Check. (Isn’t that the definition of imperialism?) Exterminating populations considered hostile? Check. And I’m not even talking about Africa, where “colonialism” wouldn’t necessarily be an exaggeration.

I do think that, today, China is the most imperialist.

The US is far from a model, mind you and Europe also did significantly more horrible things in the past, but I’m talking about today.

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