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I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by StrictDabbler »

llimos wrote: post #26

Jewish law requires some new utensils to be ritually immersed in water before use[1]. There are differences of opinion around electrical appliances, but I have successfully dunked toasters, cheese toasters, and many other small appliances, let them dry for a few days, and never had any issues. In fact, had OP found this[2] article, they would have seen that > Practice has demonstrated that immersion generally does no…

The drying is straightforward, water evaporates, but do you maintain a personal mikveh?

I'm reading through the requirements and this is a serious piece of plumbing, expensive to install at home.

But it has such a purifying ritual function that I think showing up at a communal mikva'ot with a toaster would be awkward.

Does everybody expect that some people will have toasters? You take out your dental bridge and your earrings, trim your nails and your calluses, pick up the toaster and walk on in?

These facilities mostly resemble nice spas.

I'm not mocking the belief here, just curious what it's like as a human participating. If I were trying to purify a toaster I'd pour deionized water into a rubber tub but I gather that doesn't count.

Edit:

To answer my own question, it looks like communal mikva'ots are built with separate sections similar to a sink just for the immersion of things like dishes and toasters and don't require as much personal cleaning, so that's simple and human. As these things usually are.

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by ASalazarMX »

askvictor wrote: post #105
a1o wrote: post #104

The big issue is not the water that will dry if you wait but that the hot water will make something that is glued or something that has two materials that expand different when heated break. There is no amount of letting it dry out or adding rice that will solve if things are apart.

Also, corrosion/oxidation and any chemical interactions with Dish powder (if that was used) that might not be noticeable at first

And detergent might wash away grease or oil from parts that need it.

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by ASalazarMX »

practicemaths wrote: post #51
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was literally shocked at a hostel in Nicaragua because whoever installed the heater didn't ground it. Those electrons wanted that sweet, positively charged earth and I was the fastest way to get there. I don't know if the circuit was through the running water or if it was the metal tap handles, but it was quite a jolt. edit: Now that I try to remember it, it was definitely either the tap handle or the metal pipes.…

Made me think of Electroboom's visit to Mexico. https://youtu.be/d1mPemYUrVc?si=C9zfy6jQJaO3BZ7e

As a Mexican, I can confirm. I received my house with half the grounded outlets actually not grounded. Fun times.

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by meatmanek »

lucb1e wrote: post #149
atoav wrote: post #136

As a electronics person with microscope-level repair experience: the problem isn't the water, it is what is in it. And it can become an issue weeks later when residues of minerals and detergent combined with current flows corroded your contacts away, leakage current ts flowing in all kinds of unintended places. PCBs are laminated and can do funny things when treated wrongly. Whether that kills the device or not is ha…

> But as a physics teacher he probably has heard about galvanization, oxidation and similar chemical things.. I hope. As the post says > I learned two things [...] (2) GFIs only trip off when in bodies of water that are grounded. They won’t work in an aquarium sitting on a lab table, or in a plastic laundry sink with plastic drainpipes, or in a plastic shower with plastic drainpipes. I'm neither an electrician nor a…

> Rather, the device detects them coming through a second wire, and so it stands to reason that you need to close the circuit into that second wire for it to observe the fault...

GFCIs measure the difference in current between the hot and neutral lines, and trip if the difference is above some threshold. This way, they can detect current flowing from hot to ground through _any_ path, not just the ground terminal on the same outlet. If they only measured current through the outlet's ground terminal, they wouldn't be able to detect e.g. a (usually 2-prong) hair dryer falling into a bathtub (which would typically be grounded through the metal plumbing of the building.)

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by meatmanek »

klodolph wrote: post #50
throwaway7ahgb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New homeowners: Know where your GFCI reset switches are located. I just had a fun time debugging why some of my outlets weren't working. Turns out there was a GFCI tripped in the garage, a few rooms down from the outlet.

I have never seen a GFCI reset switch in a different room from the outlet. I’m not surprised it exists, but it would make me unhappy.

At a previous rental, we had an outlet in the hallway that never worked -- only upon moving out did I discover the GFCI outlet hidden in the back of a cabinet in the adjacent bathroom.

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by lucb1e »

practicemaths wrote: post #51
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was literally shocked at a hostel in Nicaragua because whoever installed the heater didn't ground it. Those electrons wanted that sweet, positively charged earth and I was the fastest way to get there. I don't know if the circuit was through the running water or if it was the metal tap handles, but it was quite a jolt. edit: Now that I try to remember it, it was definitely either the tap handle or the metal pipes.…

Made me think of Electroboom's visit to Mexico. https://youtu.be/d1mPemYUrVc?si=C9zfy6jQJaO3BZ7e

Nontracking link: https://youtu.be/d1mPemYUrVc

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by femto »

valtism wrote: post #150
krisoft wrote: post #143

It is because people use heuristics to navigate their lives. Instead of doing complicated engineering reasoning all the time to ensure their safety they learn simple “rules of thumb”. These rules are incorrect in as much as they have both false positives (something which the rule prohibits, but is safe) and false negatives (something which the rule lets you do, but is not safe). I’m a hobby jeweler and I use an ordin…

You can also just have a spoon in the microwave too, right? I think It's only from things like crinkles in aluminium foil and the prongs of a fork that produce sparks and arcing inside.

My understanding is that if you want to put metal in a microwave keep it away from the walls. If not, you can get an arc jumping from the metal to the wall and it can burn a hole in the wall of the oven.

You should also put something (eg. a cup of water) in the oven to absorb some of the microwave energy. The metal doesn't absorb much energy so without an additional absorber the microwaves can get reflected back into the magnetron and overheat the oven.

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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Post by strken »

gumby wrote: post #82
rendang wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Power bar" is that a Commonwealth English term? As an American, power bar sounds like something you would eat

It’s what we say in Australia. If you purchase an edible “power bar” anywhere (not just America) you can be sure it has and can provide no power. It might have a little energy stored as a carbohydrate though.

I live in Victoria and I've always called them powerboards. Which state/territory/island calls them "power bars"?

Re: I put a toaster in the dishwasher (2012)

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femto wrote: post #138

I was once involved in a similar (unintentional) experiment with a multi-billion dollar defence radar. A several metres deep underground bunker, containing several 19" racks full of electrical/electronic gear, filled to ground level with a combination of mineralised surface water and mud during a storm. What we wanted to do was cut the power, pump the water out of the bunker ASAP and immediately clean the whole lot w…

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