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The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

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Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

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post #77

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That's because the boards are getting more cycles in GPU and cache and things, which are more important than straightahead serial speed.

It's also because the power consumption is quadratic with the frequency. This is important if you agree that an additional hour on battery is worth much more than few cylces per sec.

No, the first-order model is that power consumption is quadratic with voltage, and linear with frequency.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#152
post #25

The argument doesn't really hold up, as we're only given two choices: Upgradable, or amazing screen. If there was a third, "Upgradable and amazing screen" with the applicable price/weight tradeoffs, then the "we can choose" view would be more tenable. Regardless, the lack of upgradability isn't something that bugs me. My last two Apple laptops were "upgradable", but all I ever did was throw some RAM in there. The sub…

I've maxed out the ram, added an SSD _and_ added the biggest SATA drive I could find and fit it in the DVD tray using an adapter from iFixit. My laptop is from 2007 and it feels like a speed demon with the SSD and still can store all my media. So now, I have the option of maxing out the hardware _hoping_ that it will last me many years. That's part of buying into a closed platform _and_ belonging to a niche of consum…

Is this the 2007 MBP you have? I would love to know the details of your upgrades because I have an '07 17" MBP that needs a refresher. Specifically the amount of RAM you have (I thought 4GB was the max) and the SDD?

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#153

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Further evidence that Apple has its thumb on the scale: special screws that can't be turned by readily-obtainable screwdrivers.

>can't be turned by readily-obtainable screwdrivers $11 from newegg. Including shipping. Unlikely, however, to be readily available to an inquisitive 5-year-old, who might easily do more damage to some expensive electronics than he meant to, if he could get it open.

Oh, come off it. Have you really had a 5-year-old open your electronics? If they find a screwdriver they can stick it through the screen just as easily whichever screws Apple uses, and that seems like a more likely damage path.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#154
post #121

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This is the crux of the entire issue, crystalized perfectly. If you are going to carry multiple product lines, then why would their features converge? I see no reason to get into the closed vs open debate - this is Apple we're talking about. But why would they turn the Mac Book pro into a MacBook Air with higher specs? Why not get rid of all the branding distinctions and let the consumer spec out the machine, with a…

> "But why would they turn the Mac Book pro into a MacBook Air with higher specs?" They didn't. You can still get an old-style macbook pro with updated internals. They're offering a new option that looks a lot like a MBP-Air. Doing essentially what you seem to suggest: giving people a choice of a new thing and not taking any old things away. And if/when most pros demonstrate that they don't care about the modicum of…

Doing essentially what you seem to suggest: giving people a choice of a new thing and not taking any old things away.

You really think Apple will be selling old-style MBPs indefinitely? It seems like the product line is going through a transition, and the old-style MBPs will be the end of the line.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#155

There is one thing that to me indicates Apple has really thought through the consequences of this new design: The fact that the SSD is socketed and thus user removable. The machine retains that most critical aspect of home or in-store servicability. Why this is important: the specific failure case where you have a faulty logic board, or any other failure that requires a full machine replacement. You still have the ab…

If it's under warranty (be it 1 year or Apple Care), aren't you not supposed to remove or replace the drive?

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#156
post #6

I agree with the article, it makes valid points. However, you're paying for a luxury item that's a powerful computer and something with an inherently short lifespan. Take it for what it is. You won't be upgrading this machine, but selling it and buying a better one in two or three years. If you're the type of person buying this MBPro now, you're surely going to want the latest and greatest sooner than later. Most peo…

It's going to be challenging to sell with a dead glued-in battery.

You can get Apple to replace that battery.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#157
post #81
post #30

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I think most people buying a $2000+ laptop keep it for more than 18 months. I know I would.

I tend to aim for a minimum of 3 years.

Yeah. My $1400 laptop, and 3 years officially up next month. Funny thing is, because of the GPU (GTX260M) I'm pretty confident that I can easily pull another year out of this. Unless they launch a new console.

It's strange that not just games, but even software requirements are indirectly influenced by consoles.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#158

I'm on the fence. On the one hand, the new MBP is a fantastic machine and if I pay the premium for the 16GB of RAM, I'm probably going to be set for years. That said, I'm currently running the original Late 2008 Unibody Macbook Pro. It's survived for four years because I've been able to, over time, upgrade the RAM, replace the spinning disk with an SSD, and replace the aging battery. SSDs weren't available when I pur…

I've done much the same with my 2009 MBP. I love that laptop.

However, something to keep in mind here is that the upgrades we have performed are built in to the retina MBP (SSD/Ram anyway).

The drive will be upgradable by third parties before too long, just like the Air. Ram is an issue... no real answer there except to max it out to start.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#159
post #36

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That's not the only point mentioned in this article. You are forgetting about two aspects: - Environment: Gluing glass and aluminum most probably forbid recycling both of them, that's just a waste. - Cost of repairing: While with previous models, any of us could replace some part of his laptops easily (to repair as well as to upgrade), that won't be possible anymore. That means that it will cost tons of money to cust…

The glue is designed to come apart, especially when heated. I'd understand you if they used expoxy resin or something like that, but that's not the case. Also, Apple has an incentive to make them recyclable since they offer a free recycling programme. My biggest concern is the RAM, both because I've had RAM failures before which now becomes a motherboard swap, and because I'd rather max out the RAM later when it's ch…

Have your RAM failures been with the RAM Apple includes, or with third-party RAM you installed yourself? If it was the latter, that's almost an argument for Apple's decision.

Re: The New MacBook Pro: Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable

#160

Steve Jobs had a dream of selling sealed boxes to customers who would treat them as appliances, like toasters. That's what he's been pushing for, and now Apple is on track to doing it. So they deserve half the culpability, inasmuch as this is a bad thing. The other half is with the people who buy such machines.

The use case for a toaster does not change that much, and the mains voltage and the properties of bread remain reasonably stable. A good toaster can last for decades.

The things we expect our computers to do change over time, so sealed boxes must have short lives. That in itself might not be a problem if the boxes could be returned and factory upgraded in some way. Looks like the bonding of glass and metal make that harder.

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