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Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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There is no mention of a feedback mechanism for the patient to express that the pain level is too high and something should be changed in method and/or anesthetic. And what about soft tissues? Does the robot image those so it knows there is a tongue in the way?

From the pictures, it looks like the dentist is positioning the machine so I'm guessing the administration of the anesthetic and ensuring the area is clear will be on them.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#152

Will robot dentists facilitate the option to lay face down for procedures so that the debris and saliva falls out instead of needing the suction tool?

This, and the fact that a sterilized robot is way less likely to transmit airborne pathogens than a dentist and an assistant wearing a surgical mask at best. Maybe not v.1.0b4, but I'd sign up for v.1.2.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me and my team made a piece of successful software for patients and clinicians. It is really difficult, mostly for the reasons you state, but it is possible. It's used in about half the NHS, and I personally know three people who've used our app to successfully manage their pregnancy complication, which is great.

There is less political capture of this process in the UK.

My company/team is an unusual exception. The UK has a much bigger problem with creating tech than the US does. That's why almost all NHS trusts in the UK use US-created EHR systems: Cerner and Epic, mostly.

The UK is bad at creating a pro-business/pro-investment environment, so we have to buy in stuff from elsewhere, even though it's not well-suited to our needs. Or best case we find US-based investment for our companies.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#154

It’s going to become increasingly apparent in the US over time the degree to which doctors & the regulatory state are blocking us from getting cheap new care. Already ML algos are more accurate at diagnosing melanomas from an image than dermatologists - but we will never get that tech because doctors are fiercely protective of their salaries and have captured the arm of the state to help them do so.

Part of the problem is quackery. Remove the regulatory state and all the sudden you have people claiming bleach enemas as a cure all (We have that with the regulatory state, but those people get prosecuted).

I don't think that some regulations ensuring the tooth drilling robot isn't going to explode teeth is unwarranted even though that drives up cost of development.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#155

I think what's being overlooked here by some commenters is the speed of this machine. A normal cavity filling can take 20/30 minutes. Imagine if that could be cut down to 1 minute with a perfect filling at the end? Even if we are talking about the dentist messing up the pain killing application it'll all be over pretty damn fast.

Pfft. That’s nothing. Imagine if it was 30 seconds rather than twice that time? Can’t get better than that.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#156

I think what's being overlooked here by some commenters is the speed of this machine. A normal cavity filling can take 20/30 minutes. Imagine if that could be cut down to 1 minute with a perfect filling at the end? Even if we are talking about the dentist messing up the pain killing application it'll all be over pretty damn fast.

Agreed.

The freezing doesn't always work for me. If I say "hey, I can feel that" the second dose might work, and it might not.

What happens next is that they slow down, and while this sounds like compassion, it also lengthens the time they're drilling into my head while I can feel it.

Just building up a resistance to physical torture. Bring it on, movie CIA guy.

I think a quick, very intense filling might be better than a long, slow one.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#157
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is liability, just like self driving cars. Even if ML is more accurate, when it does get it wrong the buck has to stop somewhere. Those questions need to be answered first.

If ML is more accurate than doctors at the task, seems like the liability insurance should be lower. But yes, I agree that the US needs major tort reform regardless. I just don’t think tort is the major barrier compared to occupational licensing & the FDA though.

Sure, but who pays for that insurance? It probably isn't someone currently buying it and that makes ubfront costs higher.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#158

Will robot dentists facilitate the option to lay face down for procedures so that the debris and saliva falls out instead of needing the suction tool?

What if I like the taste of burning tooth enamel? Can I flip over still?

I can taste this comment, and I really don't like it.

You'll have to ask when the time comes and report back.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

#160

I think what's being overlooked here by some commenters is the speed of this machine. A normal cavity filling can take 20/30 minutes. Imagine if that could be cut down to 1 minute with a perfect filling at the end? Even if we are talking about the dentist messing up the pain killing application it'll all be over pretty damn fast.

Pfft. That’s nothing. Imagine if it was 30 seconds rather than twice that time? Can’t get better than that.

The actual drilling can be quiet fast. The limiting factor is making sure it isn't so fast that it shatters the tooth. What will take time is bonding the filling.

My assumption is that for a regular cavity fill, the drilling will be a much smaller portion of the time than the filling bonding. You can see that in the crown placement video in the article, almost no time is spent removing the outside tooth. The actual spent time is building up the crown.

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