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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by gergi » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:40 PM UTC

joshcsimmons wrote: post #145

ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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There are certainly things Biden can be criticized for but your comment is hyperbole that has little bearing on reality -

> most of the major cities here are no longer safe

objectively, nearly every major cities is safer now than at virtually any time in the past 50 or so years.

> massive hordes of illegal immigrants

This uptick trend has been noticeable for the last 30 years so I'm not sure how this is attributable to Biden. Additionally, as a percentage, we are still not yet relative to the percentage of population that is an immigrant as compared to the late 1800s. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested...

> But yes, I agree, ignoring the reality of all of those things, pretty good!

But yes, I agree, if you ignore reality, you can blame Biden for everything :)

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by croes » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:40 PM UTC

RickJWagner wrote: post #106

ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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Don't forget the prehistory:

>The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

>And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by moomoo11 » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:41 PM UTC

I’ll vote whoever the dems pick.

Elon and his wackos are going to ruin our country.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by croes » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:41 PM UTC

joshcsimmons wrote: post #145

ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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So all cities were safe under Trump and no illegal immigrants?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:45 PM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #5

(No intend for this to be a controversial statement) I only want to express my opinion that he (and the Democratic party) took a while to make this decision, to their detriment. Interesting to see who their new candidate is going to be.

To their detriment? I'm not sure. They just had the Republican convention. At that convention, they took a lot of shots at Biden. Now the Democrats say "Wrong target, suckers!"

They take over the news cycle from the Republican convention, and they neutralize a huge amount of the talking points from the convention. That could be pretty brilliant.

(I mean, it would have been better for Biden to clearly not be running last year at this time, and let the primary process do its thing. But dropping out right now might be pretty decent timing.)

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by 0xdde » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:48 PM UTC

egberts1 wrote: post #34

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He ran virtually unopposed in those primaries and many people sat them out, so I don't think anyone takes those victories as a strong signal. It's become clear through recent polls that he lost the support of many of his party's voters.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:54 PM UTC

Timshel wrote: post #54

echelon wrote: post #28

Dang, this shouldn't be flagged. This is hugely important and relevant.

How the fuck does this end-up flagged ... There is over 90 upvotes does this not count ? Where is the mythical vouch feature I could never find ? A yes I believe it's not yet dead, so you can't vouch ?

Not sure, but I think you can only vouch things that are dead, not just flagged.

With a comment, I think that if it's flagged (more than some number of times), then it's dead. (It's also dead if the user is shadowbanned, or if it's downvoted to -4.) If you think that's wrong, you can (and should!) vouch for it.

With a post, it can be flagged but not dead. Such threads can be replied to. Or a thread can be dead, in which case it cannot be replied to, but it can be vouched.

That's my understanding, but I could be wrong.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by newzisforsukas » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 7:59 PM UTC

fullshark wrote: post #100

BadHumans wrote: post #30

I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People may be lukewarm on Biden but they despise Kamala for her shady history as a prosecutor.

The most recent poll this Saturday had Trump up 7 points in Michigan. It's basically impossible for Biden to win in that scenario. I think they were well on their way to losing and so they hit the panic button with good reason, if anything this will now introduce some uncertainty which improves their chances.

Look at 2020, 2016, the overton window rapidly shifts. Anymore it seems that relying on polls four months out isn't ultimately meaningful.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by votepaunchy » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 8:01 PM UTC

vlovich123 wrote: post #134

purple_ferret wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately his domestic achievements have been somewhat mediocre. His signature achievements essentially were one time cash payments to people. I really do think his major failure was not pushing for a lasting achievement like implementing federal parental leave. He had the chance, but opted for a 1 year extension of child tax credits. And of course the US has an illegal immigration problem. European right on the…

Arguably he saved the US from a major recession that all the experts were predicting post COVID. But avoiding a disaster is harder to campaign on.

Difficult to have a recession when the federal deficit is 6.3% of GDP:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59727

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 8:01 PM UTC

HaZeust wrote: post #90

I am, admittedly, very glad that Biden stuck to his word in 2020 that he will be a single-term incumbent president for the last 4 years... I just wish the DNC kept their word on bolstering a more compelling candidate within that timeframe as well. They had 3 1/2 years to bolster the reputation of Kamala, and largely sidelined her after using her as a play for minority vote. Now they're (likely) running her in a remai…

Kamala looks unelectable. She had to quit the nomination race in 2020 even before primaries.