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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by greenchair »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

correction: anti-illegal immigrant platform. the 3rd worlder influx of criminals is negative for the country not positive.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by dantondwa »

brigadier132 wrote: post #62
vundercind wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Sorry, but I don’t think families who escaped in those times were exactly just innocent property owners.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by chmod775 »

vundercind wrote: post #27
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

> A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges

They should've learned from the French making sure there's nobody left to hold a grudge.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by nradov »

joecool1029 wrote: post #140

Again and again I've been arguing for access to information. Let Cuba land an underwater cable in Miami. Ever since I was young I was fed this line 'Glasnost helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, people wanted things their government wouldn't give them... free access to information not filtered by their government', but the US argues for some reason that Cubans can't have this. Is it fear of an even big…

I agree with you, but if Cuba wants better Internet access there's nothing stopping them from landing an underwater cable in Mexico. It's about the same distance.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by samatman »

Devasta wrote: post #133
jimmar wrote: post #124

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The UN, UK, and EU have no sanctions imposed on Cuba [1]. Why has no other country prevented Cuba from "starving to death?" Honest question. Is the United States so powerful that our trade is the only thing keeping countries alive? [1] https://globalsanctions.co.uk/region/cuba/

Secondary sanctions. If your company trades with Cuba, then companies that want to trade with the US also violate the sanctions by trading with you. So even something as basic as opening a bank account in such circumstances isn't possible, as no bank will cut themselves off from the entire worldwide banking system just to provide you an account.

This is wrong. There are no secondary sanctions against Cuba.

Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. They can trade with everyone except the United States, if they had anything to trade with.

The US sanctions do serve as a wonderful excuse for the Cuban government to blame the poverty they inflict upon their own citizens on the United States. Plenty of gullible people outside the country fall for it as well.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by BurningFrog »

toast0 wrote: post #14
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> Cuba would be a great travel destination. It's been a while since I visited places outside the US, but one of the shocking things was travel ads for Cuba everywhere. From what I can tell, US-Cuban relations seem to be at the whim of the US President. Most of the US population doesn't care; most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba, but isn't going to pressure the US. Nobody is sending missiles to C…

The people who really care are Cuban exiles around Miami.

When Florida was a swing state, that was enough to make every presidential candidate be pro embargo.

Now that Florida is a red state, it might be different.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by epolanski »

vundercind wrote: post #27
wkat4242 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Fun fact, I'm a grandchildren of poles who lived in what was polish land but given to Ukraine after WW2 when Stalin moved Ukraine westwards (and compensated Poland with former German land).

I received a compensation 60 years after WW2, but it was few thousand euros (many generations have passed). And by the way it was the polish, not Ukrainian government that compensated us.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by matrix87 »

bawolff wrote: post #120
WorkerBee28474 wrote: post #109

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> illegitimate and illegal US embargo Illegitimate and illegal according to what authority? Unless you believe in God, there is no higher authority than the US government and its military might.

International law? That said, i don't think sanctions violate intl law. You are under no obligation to trade with people you dont like. A blockade probably would be (generally blockades are an act of war which is only allowed in defense or if un security council approves) however america isnt blockading it. Things can morally wrong without being illegal.

international law in itself means almost nothing, it's just a convenient excuse for the more powerful to threaten the less powerful

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by samatman »

tehjoker wrote: post #91

Cuba's economy is not doing well because of the illegitimate and illegal US embargo. End the blockade. Take Cuba off the completely farcical State Sponsors of Terror list. Let Cuba live! Cuba developed its own COVID vaccine but couldn't give it to its own people because they could not buy metal for syringes. Its fucking crazy.

There is no blockade, and there hasn't been since the Cuban Missile Crisis. An embargo prohibits US citizens and US-owned businesses from trading with Cuba. A blockade would be the US Navy preventing anyone else's ships from entering Cuba to trade.

Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. The US is not the only trading partner in the world, but a country has to have something to trade in order to engage in trade, and Cuba has nothing.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by OJFord »

inglor_cz wrote: post #58
paleotrope wrote: post #22

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Cuba would be quite a desirable place to live if it wasn't a socialist authoritarian state

As the old joke from behind the Iron Curtain said... Q: "What would happen in Saudi Arabia if Communism triumphed there?" A: "First, shortage of oil, later, shortage of sand." Edit: for all the downvoters, shortages were our daily lived experience when I was a kid. I still remember chasing such rare stuff as "kid's sneakers" or "toilet paper". And Czechoslovakia was still better off than neighbouring Poland, where yo…

Wasn't that deliberate oppression though? Not that I'm pro-communism as an ideal or anything (I favour free-market conservatism) I'm just not sure it can be blamed for ineptitude/mismanagement there as the joke implies?
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