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Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Samsung is the only job interview I have walked out of. I was told "you'll basically have zero wlb for the first 2-3 years while we are getting this fab off the ground". I immediately said I was withdrawing my candidacy. I can't imagine what the floor workers jobs are like if that's how demanding the SWE side is. It's especially soul-crushing when you think what the next Xnm process translates to in the real-world. I…

wlb?

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

But the article mentions the 8 inch production line is always shorthanded on staff. You would think workers on a line that has shortages of employees would have negotiating power. The article also mentions better circumstances on other lines. The workers on strike also say they’re not even really asking for better circumstances, just to not be treated like parts in a machine. I think this is a typical case of a bad m…

> You would think workers on a line that has shortages of employees would have negotiating power

Depends on whether we re looking at a system in equilibrium or out of equilibrium. Maybe the "shortage" is the equilibrium for the unyielding crappy conditions the company is offering.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

#154

Samsung is the only job interview I have walked out of. I was told "you'll basically have zero wlb for the first 2-3 years while we are getting this fab off the ground". I immediately said I was withdrawing my candidacy. I can't imagine what the floor workers jobs are like if that's how demanding the SWE side is. It's especially soul-crushing when you think what the next Xnm process translates to in the real-world. I…

wlb?

work life balance

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

#155

> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

The notion of a factory that repairs itself is so hilarious to anyone who has worked in a real factory. After a few years of operation, all of the production machinery is constantly on the edge of breaking down. It takes continuous effort to keep things working at all, plus there are always changes for design updates and new models.

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

#156

> Samsung’s 12-inch line utilizes an overhead hoist transport (OHT) system, an automated transport network that operates along tracks installed on the ceiling, to move bundles of 25 wafers called “lots.” On the 8-inch line, however, this transportation is done manually. There is much more market demand for 12-inch wafers, so Samsung has modernized and automated many processes. The 8-inch line, however, is outdated. W…

> 1. Some workers lose their jobs to automation. > 2. The remaining ones have a weaker negotiation power, as their jobs are on the way out anyway. So companies have even more incentive to abuse them. I wonder what the eventual end game is, when you let everything play out to its logical conclusion. Eventually, business owners will no longer need people at all. They'll own a magical fully-automated factory that mainta…

> I wonder what the eventual end game is

The end game for the US is a small group of people(approx 36M) having fun. It's not too different from how it is now, but rather than be supported by human labor, it's supported by the labor of machines.

If all wage labor is automated, and ignoring the issue of the social and political implications of a mass of people with nothing else to do, the remaining professions will be SME business owners, investors, and landlords[1].

We can estimate the size of this population.

There are approximately 28 million American SMEs[2]. SMEs can have owner-employees or hired labor, all of which will be automated. Considering SMEs as financial black boxes, the inputs, and outputs remain the same with the exception that salaries are replaced by a presumably smaller figure representing either the purchase or rental of automated labor.

An estimated 7 million[3] high-net-worth individuals(HNWI) reside in the US. These are people with large investment portfolios who can live off gains indefinitely. It's difficult to estimate the number of full-time investors, but some estimate range from 200k-1million, and arguably, and these are folks who are doing potentially automatable work anyways.

The upperbound of US landlords is 10.6 million people[4], or 7.1%. There are 5.9 million[5] commercial buildings in the US, compared to 44 million[6] residential rental properties. Let's estimate the number of commercial landlords to be around 1 million people in the US. We can also presume that maintenance and repair is automatable labor.

The common features these groups share is the ability to generate income without labor. Presumably, this leaves them plenty of time to engage in leisure activities.

Looking toward HNWI individuals as an indicator, they spend much more of their time engaged in "active" leisure, that is to say praying, socializing, exercising, hobbies, and volunteering[7].

1. I'm assuming self-employed people are automated away.

2. https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran...

3. https://www.capgemini.com/insights/research-library/world-we...

4. https://www.doorloop.com/blog/landlord-statistics-by-categor...

5. https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/built-environm...

6. https://www.statista.com/statistics/187577/housing-units-occ...

7. https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2019/07/13/how-do-t...

Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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The title is? It's in that direction with the suggestive pun, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as you. Especially since it appears to be an accident while shortening the original title.

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Re: Women who make Samsung semiconductors are striking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title is? It's in that direction with the suggestive pun, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as you. Especially since it appears to be an accident while shortening the original title.

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