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Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Use Firefox Nightly on Android and you get access to about:config and with that this switch.

and for those wondering, looks like it is called "dom.private-attribution.submission.enabled"

Hah. Thanks. I was stopping by this thread again to post exactly that. I have to say that config option was not obvious. After scrolling through about:config and filtering only the modified list I still couldn't find it. I finally backed up prefs.js, toggled it, then pulled a diff.

And, I needed the config entry because I couldn't find any gui option to opt out of it on mobile.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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I've been using Firefox for more than 20 years since the Phoenix days, even when it was cleary slower than Chrome (it still is but the diferences are minimal ) I'm not acting surprised, but I think it's more than time to start looking into a viable alternative. It's "Chromium" (?) still a thing? Do you guys know if there is a browser based on Firefox that doesn't have any of the BS Mozilla is putting into their brows…

Orion, if you're on Mac: https://kagi.com/orion/

That's webkit

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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The scare quotes here are uncalled for: it is privacy-preserving. The approach allows measurement without disclosing who, specifically, did what with the ad. The best objection to these proposals isn't privacy, it's that a browser vendor is lifting a finger for advertisers. I guess the fundamental question there is if we prefer to outright shut down online advertising, or give it the tools it needs to be less bad. Op…

> if we prefer to outright shut down online advertising

Yes, please. Both online and offline. Advertising is probably the most useless, annoying and wasteful industry out there.

We could have pull-only databases of businesses, products and services instead. Ideally, with independently verified, fact-checked information and authentic reviews. Realistically though, this kind of objectivity would probably be infeasible to enforce and maintain. But even if we allow for misinformation, paid rankings and whatnot, the point stands: any such database should follow a pull-only model, users access it voluntarily to search for products and services and it's not an unsolicited broadcast to everyone everywhere all the time.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Orion, if you're on Mac: https://kagi.com/orion/

That's webkit

Sure, but with all the privacy invasion stuff ripped out. It's actively developed and maintained, and lets you install firefox and chrome extensions. It's a great browser and I use it every day.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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As a loyal user, I didn't quite see this coming. Under `Browser Privacy`, I have `Enhanced Tracking Protection` set to `Strict`. I had studies turned off, when I go to `about:studies` it explicitly says: "No new studies will run.". I have `Tell web sites not to sell or share my data` checked. I have `Send web sites a “Do Not Track” request` checked. It seems like Mozilla still thought it was okay to automatically add a "Allow web sites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement" checkbox. Yet with that all set, they seem okay to let it be checked by default, so they can send off my data! They say: "A small number of sites are going to test this and provide feedback to inform our standardization plans, and help us understand if this is likely to gain traction." - that sounds a lot like a study, and I've opted out of studies!

I did not consent, and as best I can tell, Mozilla has breached GDPR.

As best I can tell, Mozilla disregarded my preferences. It seems they have violated these GDPR principles: a lack of consent, purpose limitation (unintended data use), `Data protection by design and default` AKA `privacy by design` (by ignoring settings), and right to object (disregarding preferences).

It is absolutely unfair to argue that it is not personal information about me. It seems to me that they are lying, or at the very least twisting words so thin. My trust in them is vanishing.

There is no way to reliably verify their differential privacy, and even if there was, they still had no informed consent to collect the data and send it off.

To give controls to a user, and then totally ignore them, is what got Facebook in big trouble.

It really looks like Mozilla is not only not listening to explicitly stated user preferences, preferences that have been set intentionally, but it's outright ignoring them and doing the very opposite of what the users intention is!

If they thought that they had a good reason to do so, and that the ends justifies the means, they are so very wrong.

I have used Firefox for as long as it's existed. For Mozilla, this is an almost sadistic own goal. How did they think that this was going to be okay? Did they think people would not find out? There will have to be changes after this at Mozilla if they were to regain trust and I'm really sceptical they can do it.

I really want / wanted them to succeed but I don't see how.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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As a loyal user, I didn't quite see this coming. Under `Browser Privacy`, I have `Enhanced Tracking Protection` set to `Strict`. I had studies turned off, when I go to `about:studies` it explicitly says: "No new studies will run.". I have `Tell web sites not to sell or share my data` checked. I have `Send web sites a “Do Not Track” request` checked. It seems like Mozilla still thought it was okay to automatically add…

The new leadership has made it an ad company.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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That's webkit

Sure, but with all the privacy invasion stuff ripped out. It's actively developed and maintained, and lets you install firefox and chrome extensions. It's a great browser and I use it every day.

I like it, too, and I absolutely love kagi. Just clarifying because the original question asked for browsers based on firefox.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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The scare quotes here are uncalled for: it is privacy-preserving. The approach allows measurement without disclosing who, specifically, did what with the ad. The best objection to these proposals isn't privacy, it's that a browser vendor is lifting a finger for advertisers. I guess the fundamental question there is if we prefer to outright shut down online advertising, or give it the tools it needs to be less bad. Op…

Do you work for an ad company by any chance?

No.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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post #48

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Use Firefox Nightly on Android and you get access to about:config and with that this switch.

You can access about:config with chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml even in non-nightly versions. Credit goes to this guy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40955452

So that means it's on but can't be disabled without using this hacking around? That's not cool :(
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