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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by insane_dreamer »

logicprog wrote: post #127
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

My question is why they didn't just make a Flatpak. Then they and their users wouldn't need to go through any of this hassle and distro fragmentation at all. Even if they didn't want to publish it on Flathub, Flatpak supports single file packages people can directly install as well.

Because then you have a dozen other people who say "why didn't they just make a ___"

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by aidenn0 »

AndyKelley wrote: post #111
NormenKD wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't happy with this, either: "[...]And of course, the journey isn't over yet－we'd love your help, particularly if you're excited about: - Helping bring Zed to your distro. Either by packaging Zed or by making Zed work the way it should in your environment (we know many people want to manage language servers by themselves).[...]" Give them a hand ;) https://zed.dev/docs/development/linux#notes-for-packaging-z.…

I sympathize with the situation that Zed developers are in. They are thinking of the user experience first and foremost, and when trying to distribute on Linux, faced with an overgrown, chaotic landscape that utterly fails to provide the basic needs of application developers, such as the ability to distribute a binary that has no dependencies on any one particular distribution and can open a window and interact with…

I have a shell script that will recursively copy and rewrite the rpaths of every shared-object that all elf files in a sub-directory reference to bundle it up. It obviously can't handle dlopen(), and ld-linux cannot be specified as a relative-path to the executable, but it works for many binaries.

Of course that has the problem that vendoring always has; you have pinned every dependency, which is great for making the software work, but you miss out on security updates.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by correct-horse »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #120
yoyohello13 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I should have been more specific and said FOSS. VSCode is still encumbered by the weight of a mega corp. It's like saying Chrome is open source. Sure it is, but it still exists to serve the corporation that owns it.

It's MIT licensed. So it's more FOSS than FOSS

It's free software in letter, but not in spirit. True free software doesn't lock out non-official builds for zero technical reasons.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by Quot »

Arch-TK wrote: post #119

I really don't get why this is the modern editor style of choice. 20% (35 chars) of screen space permanently wasted on a always on file browser (meanwhile the animation showcases fuzzy finding) 4% (7 chars) of screen space permanently wasted by line numbers (why are the numbers cut off on the right?) 2.7% (5 chars) of screen space taken up by a gutter So 27% of screen space effectively dead 99% of the time. Why do pe…

> 20% (35 chars) of screen space permanently wasted on a always on file browser

That is toggleable. Cmd+B on Mac. I usually keep it closed, but it's just a shortcut away when I need it.

> 4% (7 chars) of screen space permanently wasted by line numbers

You can disable that in the settings with:

"gutter": { "line_numbers": false }

> 2.7% (5 chars) of screen space taken up by a gutter

You can also disable the other items in the gutter to free up all of that space.

> So 27% of screen space effectively dead 99% of the time.

You can also press shift+esc at any time to toggle a fullscreen pane of whatever you are working on when you need more space without affecting your editor's state. I don't know the name of that action, I actually found that accidentally.

Edit: I forgot to mention, you can actually disable the tab bar now too if you want even more space. You would just need to rely on the tab switcher feature or file search to move around.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by zoogeny »

I'm a sucker for text editors. I've used so many at this point. Notepad++ from way back. Anyone remember Komodo, the Perl focused text editor from ActiveState? BBEdit. TextMate. Sublime text. Atom. Visual Studio Code. All kinds of IDEs from Eclipse to the IntelliJ family and the full fledged Visual Studio. I've used many flavors of vim and learned emacs multiple times. I doubt I've named half of the editors I've used.

I'm at the point where I just can't motivate myself to try yet another. In my experience, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. My rule of thumb now: use whatever the majority of people on my team use. For non-team related work I find the community around Visual Studio Code to be good enough that it does what I need most of the time. I use bog-standard vim when I ssh into boxes.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by figomore »

logicprog wrote: post #127
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

My question is why they didn't just make a Flatpak. Then they and their users wouldn't need to go through any of this hassle and distro fragmentation at all. Even if they didn't want to publish it on Flathub, Flatpak supports single file packages people can directly install as well.

There is already some support to flatpak, but it's not distributed on flathub yet. You have to build by yourself https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/main/docs/src/dev...

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by [deleted] »

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by correct-horse »

the_duke wrote: post #104
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

> This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux You might want to tell the rest of the software world how unnacceptable it is, because a huge amount of software, and especially dev tooling, is installed in this exact way. It's especially hard for young or fast moving projects, most distro packaging just isn't very compatible with this velocity. I'm personally on NixOS , which usually makes it easy to alw…

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