Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide • Hacker News Board

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by dralley » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:22 AM UTC

joegibbs wrote: post #96

munificent wrote: post #45

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This would also explain why accounts of "shell shock" and PTSD rose so dramatically during WWI but were less common in prior wars where explosions were less common.

That's interesting that at the time, in WW1, it was assumed to be a physical injury to the brain caused by the shockwave of exploding artillery shells (hence the name). A few years later a consensus evolved that it's a psychological problem caused by the stress of combat, which was the prevailing opinion for about 100 years. And now it's looking like it might actually be a physical injury caused by shockwave damage t…

Or both.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by xkqd » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:23 AM UTC

moomin wrote: post #31

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #15

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Equality should mean equality! :D

Ask anyone with half a brain who sincerely believes in gender equality if men should take a pay cut and they’ll say no, women deserve what the men are paid. The draft should work the same way.

I think that’s what they were saying but their comment was so low quality it’s hard to be sure.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by dralley » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:23 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #144

ok_dad wrote: post #27

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How many people do you think are in the military? It’s way below one percent in the USA. In the last war we fought, we lost barely any soldiers compared to the number deployed. It’s bad that we lost any, but your argument is logically null. Women aren’t just baby machines, in any case. Nothing is being “reversed” it’s just more equal if everyone is registered for selective service.

Take a look at Ukraine. They're running low on conscripts despite "modern warfare"

They aren't running low on conscripts. They ran low on people they could conscript using the previous set of conscription laws that were extremely "leaky". Then they changed the law, and now they're not really low on manpower anymore.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by seventytwo » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:26 AM UTC

joegibbs wrote: post #96

munificent wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would also explain why accounts of "shell shock" and PTSD rose so dramatically during WWI but were less common in prior wars where explosions were less common.

That's interesting that at the time, in WW1, it was assumed to be a physical injury to the brain caused by the shockwave of exploding artillery shells (hence the name). A few years later a consensus evolved that it's a psychological problem caused by the stress of combat, which was the prevailing opinion for about 100 years. And now it's looking like it might actually be a physical injury caused by shockwave damage t…

It’s not either/or. The psychological shit is real, but the physical damage to the brain is real also. Both things are true.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by xkqd » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:26 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #129

brianwawok wrote: post #63

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Ww2 killed 3% of the earths population. Our bombs are much worse now.

> Our bombs are much worse now. Are you under the impression that we're still doing trench warfare, though? And any big nukes won't be aimed at soldiers.

To everyone’s surprise, we still are engaging in trench warfare. Maybe the USA isn’t currently involved in a war where they’re digging and in the trenches, but Eastern Europe right now is proving that trenches aren’t going anywhere.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by cjbgkagh » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:29 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #14

toomuchtodo wrote: post #12

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Yet another reason to not join the military. You’re just fuel for the machine. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/06/14/armys-recruit...

These days we have a senate committee approving a bill that would register women for the draught… it’s getting closer. Men aren’t enough, for this machine, apparently.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. I am aghast with the press-ganging going on in Ukraine. I think if Ukraine can’t motivate volunteers to fight then they must surrender. I get that we (the west) wouldn’t like that but they’re taking volunteers so anyone who wants to fight that war is free to do so. Too many people wanting other people to fight their wars for them. I don’t even like my country, the thought of being press ganged by them would make me like the country even less.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by dralley » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:29 AM UTC

dansult wrote: post #126

snakeyjake wrote: post #112

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They don't do anything without $40 billion of air assets circling their position providing cover and get pissy when you tell them they have to shave and can't paint their weapons arbitrary colors. Also they're all on drugs and will kill you if you report them for embezzling unit funds.

Different roles. Everyone has a part to play but SF relies upon relative superiority. Assets and ignoring military customs which do not increase effectiveness and lethality are requirements to get the job done. An infantry company is more able to defend its position than a troop of SF without heavy weapons if bogged down. Camouflage works and when you're rolling multicam with a black gun it reduces its effectiveness.…

I doubt there would be as much bitterness if the "silent professionals" didn't write so many books about what incredible badasses they are.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by The_Colonel » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:31 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #143

blue_dragon wrote: post #42

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Would you be ok with mandatory draft registration for women if conscription began with only women aged 36 and above? National fertility would be unaffected, since women of that age rarely have children anyways. Then the draft would be gender-balanced and the war hawks would get more bodies for their machine. Everybody wins.

Not really, a society that sends women to war is more or less a cowardly society dressing it up as equality. What sort of male sends the female to check on the noises that sound like an intruder in the wee hours of the night? Do they set turns and when it's her turn she's gotta check out the noises? Any gal married or shacked up with a guy like that should kick him out before night is over. Can you imagine Paul askin…

> Not really, a society that sends women to war is more or less a cowardly society dressing it up as equality.

Israel is likely the most prominent country sending women to war. I'm eager to call Israel many bad names, but "cowardly" is not one of them.

I think it's a worthwhile discussion, but your argumentation seems to be mainly based on stereotypes (women are weak) and some old chivalric ideals.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by seventytwo » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:32 AM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #145

djmips wrote: post #74

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And how do you know that?

Shooting as a popular passtime has been around long enough that we know what the risks are: commonly tinnitus, rarely injuries related to what the firearm actually does, more rarely lead poisoning. On the other hand, artillery and rockets are extremely loud. If you want to look it up and start comparing things, keep in mind that every 3 decibels represents a doubling in pressure, so a howitzer having twenty or thirty…

I think this is probably correct. There are people who shoot thousands of rounds per year and there hasn’t been any mind of established pattern of brain damage like this (at least to my knowledge).

It’s possible small arms fire doesn’t make big enough shockwaves. To cause the effects. I’d hypothesize it’s the larger blasts… perhaps even a frequency component to it? Blasts from a fast explosive like C4 could do more damage than slower shockwaves like mortar or artillery shots.

Idk. Interesting subject.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by localfirst » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 4:33 AM UTC

vjust wrote: post #130

Land of the free, home of the brave - doesn't come cheap. By definition "Leadership" in this capitalistic society is predatory - this style extends to the armed forces, where everyone is expendable.

How is fabricating a justification for invading a country that never attacked America benefit the average citizen who's quality of life has fallen in the past three decades?

I just don't understand this "freedom" argument that seems to gloss over the obvious--poor people dying for a small group of people that benefit massively from war