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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

> they showed us the correct method. It was simply to send the tank up in the elevator unattended—one undergrad pushing the "up" button and stepping out, the other waiting for it on the destination floor. Stupidly simple. That works great until somebody in an intermediate floor enters the elevator oblivious to the risk and suffocates.

It’s possible this was between adjacent floors, in which case this risk would not exist.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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It's a shame xenon is an anesthetic. If it did not have that effect, one could pressure xenon until it was the same density as the body. It would still be a gas, and one could include some oxygen in it so one wouldn't suffocate (although breathing could be more laborious, perhaps require mechanical support). Suspended in this gas, one could be subjected to much higher acceleration without injury, up the point that de…

What acceleration would be survivable in such a system? And wouldn't that cause the oxygen to pool and not be readily available for breathing?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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In college I used a lot of nitrous. I got small cartridges and a “cracker” with a balloon. It was pretty euphoric. I stopped after recording myself taking it. I was unconscious a lot longer than I remembered being, and even though I was probably never at risk of suffocating there were long periods where I didn’t see myself breathing. That was enough. I regret the effects it may have had on my brain. It’s impossible t…

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

Because you can buy little canisters of N2O at the gas station, you can’t buy little canisters of O2 to go with them.

If recreational nitrous was legal, and could be openly sold without the false pretense of being used to charge whipped cream - then I don’t see why not. You can get weed consumables in all different ratios and configurations.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

> they showed us the correct method. It was simply to send the tank up in the elevator unattended—one undergrad pushing the "up" button and stepping out, the other waiting for it on the destination floor. Stupidly simple. That works great until somebody in an intermediate floor enters the elevator oblivious to the risk and suffocates.

That's what service keys are for - with the key turned, the lift will go directly to the selected floor without stopping.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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If you mean to use it for space travel, may be xenon being an anaesthetic is a feature, not a bug?

It's a potent dissociative, you'll black out before you reach concentrations required for this purpose.

You're in a rocket on top of thousands of tons of explosives, everything runs automatically, there's terrifying noise all around and you don't control anything.

Blacking out in dissociative euphoria still sounds like a feature, not a bug to me.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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I think this is an unnecessarily polarized admonition. Alcohol is arguably more than possibly-lethal, but many people exercise a reasonable risk calculus that allows them to enjoy it, and even enjoy it to a low level to moderate excess (on occasion), and that doesn't necessarily indicate pathological drug abuse. An unusual medically-safe (in medical contexts) anesthetic generating curiosity about recreational effects…

- "An unusual medically-safe (in medical contexts) anesthetic" It's a heavier-than-air asphyxiant and the contexts are not medical. It takes somewhat rose-tinted glasses to assume every person abusing this anesthetic will do so safely, under professional supervision, in some expensive clinic. Or that the anesthetic spas will be competently regulated and ethical. Inert gas asphyxiation is instant death .

You're wrong.

Asphyxiation is a "deprivation of oxygen that can result in unconsciousness and often death"

But it is not instant death, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about people doing it recreationally.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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post #133

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It's a potent dissociative, you'll black out before you reach concentrations required for this purpose.

You're in a rocket on top of thousands of tons of explosives, everything runs automatically, there's terrifying noise all around and you don't control anything. Blacking out in dissociative euphoria still sounds like a feature, not a bug to me.

chuckle maybe for the jaded frequent flyer, but if I go up in a rocket I wanna experience everything, even a blow up if it happens.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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A magnet will pass by a hard drive and emerge totally unchanged. It doesn't mean the hard drive was not changed

I wouldn’t use such analogies on wildly unrelated subjects. Saying „The long term effects of Xenon on the human body and brain are still mostly undocumented when it comes to repeated recreational use.“ sounds so much better! Especially since almost all common magnets don’t actually effect a hard drives functionality. The internet states you need a magnet with a force of 0,5kg to actually cause data loss. So we’re tal…

Sounds like a you problem, the analogy is fine. Just because the gas emerges unchanged does not mean the body through which it passed was.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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They weren't ideologically into Nazism. The point is -- he was a willing collaborator. And you went out of your way to describe his actions as "at any given time, prudent for his country".

Yes. It was prudent to do anything to save Ukraine. Absolutely. If you love your country you'd deal with the devil himself to save it from what Russia was doing. 10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers. Another 5 million starved to death in the holodomor. Hitler was bad, sure, but only a third as bad as the Bolsheviks. And about half of those 15 million deaths happened in Ukraine, and Bandera's fi…

10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers.

These are some wildly inflated numbers you're posting here. Total estimates for the number of persons killed in pre-war political repressions in the USSR top out at 1 million or so. I'm not sure what Ukraine's exact number is, but (in asserting that it was "about half" of 10M) you're easily inflating the true number by a factor of at least 10x here. Likely closer to 20x.

Why are you doing this?

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