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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Passing is one thing. They waste everyone's time by threatening to pass idiotic legislation every 6 months. But perhaps that is the goal so people do not investigate why the EU is getting poorer and all money goes into housing and healthcare.

The median EU citizen is not getting poorer relative to the median US citizen. Don't confuse growing income inequality with "national wealth".

GDP per capita of EU used to be higher than the US.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Germany is a lot less digital than the rest of Europe though. Germans by-and-large even refuse to use debit cards (pin&chip). It's so strange visiting Germany as a tourist and not being able to pay with my card in a restaurant for example.

> Germans by-and-large even refuse to use debit cards (pin&chip) I’d call that a minority, especially since Covid. > not being able to pay with my card in a restaurant for example An even smaller minority, especially for restaurants, slightly larger for non-chain fast food places that probably also cheat on taxes. I don’t carry cash with me and pay almost everything with my MC debit or AMEX credit card, even in cases…

>>An even smaller minority, especially for restaurants, slightly larger for non-chain fast food places that probably also cheat on taxes.

Personal anecdote, but I've been travelling through Germany this winter and outside of motorway petrol stations and big supermarkets pretty much no one would accept my Visa/MasterCard cards - "EC Karten" only everywhere. We went to a big restaurant which I assumed would be ok because I could see the card terminal at the till, and at the end they told me it's EC Karten only - had to drive around at 11pm to find a working ATM just to withdraw some euro to pay them, while my wife and son waited at the restaurant - absolute nonsense.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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> Utterly revolting how the EU has become an authoritarian and socialist project expanding its power over EU citizens and countries.

As the link explains, the Commission is proposing this at the behest of member states. You have it completely backward. Your elected national representatives are trying to force this through, and ironically, your elected MEPs (European representatives) are trying to save you.

Anti-EU people are often so unbelievably misinformed.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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thing is, this chat control will not help. Criminals will use illegal tools while all the rest of the population will be subject to gov investigation (including monitoring political adversaries). And that's one thing - if the system is wrongly implemented, this backdoor could be accessed by 3'rd parties/hackers and at that point it would be a clown show. Unrestricted social media is another problem that should be sol…

It will help. Just as any system that has trade-offs. So much of human existence would be much simpler and happier if we didn't have to build systems to control crime and bad behavior. Is it a system I want? No. I think there are better options. Do I see people in this thread proposing any better options? No. So the default seems to be Orwellian as everyone is too dismissive, arrogant and lazy.

better option is to leave privacy as is. You basically trade a dream of catching criminals (that will switch to illegal tools to keep their data hidden) to a reality where govts,hackers and big corpos can get your data much easier and use it against you. If you think there are better options, the solution is to cancel this privacy invading law and start discussing abt those better solutions instead of implementing a law that will hurt ppl by design by offering much more power to govs, corporations and much bigger surface attack for hackers

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Add on top of that bullshit, the new plastic caps that the EU imposed instead of doing a refundable deposit per [bottle/cap pair].

I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

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There's absolutely nothing socialist about the EU, unless you don't know or understand what "socialism" means...

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So where's the "social ownership of the means of production"?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Tell me more how all the money transfers are neoliberal? How the “creating of european idea” is neoliberal? How “we must have minimal taxes in europe” is neoliberal. Industrial subsidies for car and aeroplane companies. Compulsary social and retirement policies. In EU socialism is the norm, everything outside is branded almost extreme right. And right is a bad word in EU. If you take right and cut out russian support…

Nothing you mentioned has anything to do with socialism.

Depends on the definition of socialism. For me the flow through retirement is socialist. The healthcare that forces people to pay money to non functioning system based on their income is socialist.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

How exactly do bottle caps in the EU end up in marine environments? And if they do that should be pretty easy to fix. These regulations won’t do anything to stop countries in Asia, Africa and other places from pumping their garbage into rivers and oceans… To be fair I don’t really mind the bottle caps (unlike the plastic straw ban) but it hardly accomplishes anything beautiful allowing people in the EU to feel better…

The solution was an EU-wide plastic bottle deposit, this way, it pushes people to bring back intact bottles with their caps and get ~0.10 EUR back for each.

And if you are too lazy to bring it back or just a person who throws away stuff carelessly, someone else will do (big sorting centers as it's a big revenue-stream, the cleaners, the homelesses, some bored students, etc).

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Add on top of that bullshit, the new plastic caps that the EU imposed instead of doing a refundable deposit per [bottle/cap pair].

I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

The same, it solves a marginal problem (people that throw away on the highway only the plastic caps, and somehow keep separate the bottle), in an absurd way that punishes all the nice users, again, just to solve a small % of very cases.

The guys who somehow enjoy throwing away plastic caps, will likely remove it anyway.

The same with the spying, all users will suffer, but those who want to work around it, will find a way.

The irony is that it makes driving more dangerous now, as you need two hands to drink from a water bottle.

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I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

The same, it solves a marginal problem (people that throw away on the highway only the plastic caps, and somehow keep separate the bottle), in an absurd way that punishes all the nice users, again, just to solve a small % of very cases. The guys who somehow enjoy throwing away plastic caps, will likely remove it anyway. The same with the spying, all users will suffer, but those who want to work around it, will find a…

Punish is a strong word, it slightly inconveniences all "the nice users".

It's really not that big of a deal honestly, you unscrew the bottle, flip the cap up (it kinda locks like that and stays out of your way in one of the designs I've seen, in the other it's just attached and can easily be kept out of the way with a finger), then you drink, I fail to see how you suddenly need two hands as opposed to before...

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