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First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Is this meant to supersede starlink roam [1]? [1]: https://www.starlink.com/ca/roam

Roam is effectively the data plan, this is a new hardware dish, but I suspect it will be the preferred dish for most Roam plans.

Except if it's 1/4th of the bandwidth, in which case it won't be the preferred dish for many who actually work in remote places.

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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3 launches in mid-2025 isn't really all that promising an indicator for a constellation that needs to launch thousands of satellites. They'd need signs of an extreme ramp up in launches coming, particularly since so many of these earlier launches will have to be on external providers like ULA and ArianeSpace, who are already running delays, need to build entire rockets each time and have little experience with high l…

> a constellation that needs to launch thousands of satellites. If I were the folks at Kuiper or any other would-be LEO RF communication constellation: * Starlink is proving the value prop to investors and consumers * This is an early stage this sector--there will be tech improvements * Improvements in satellites mean competitors can enter at vN+1 * SpaceX/Starlink has some anti-trust risk--they might throw a bone to…

SpaceX satellites have a designed lifespan of approximately 5 years. They'll sustain their launch pace just to keep up the constellation. There's no real vN+1 advantage for competition.

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 launches in mid-2025 isn't really all that promising an indicator for a constellation that needs to launch thousands of satellites. They'd need signs of an extreme ramp up in launches coming, particularly since so many of these earlier launches will have to be on external providers like ULA and ArianeSpace, who are already running delays, need to build entire rockets each time and have little experience with high l…

> a constellation that needs to launch thousands of satellites. If I were the folks at Kuiper or any other would-be LEO RF communication constellation: * Starlink is proving the value prop to investors and consumers * This is an early stage this sector--there will be tech improvements * Improvements in satellites mean competitors can enter at vN+1 * SpaceX/Starlink has some anti-trust risk--they might throw a bone to…

Regarding the anti-trust risk, SpaceX has been very clear that they'll launch competitor's satellites just as fairly as they do any other payload. They only serve to benefit from it, as the profit from every commercial launch helps offset their costs on building out Starlink and on Starship R&D (which is also why Amazon didn't buy F9 for building Kuiper until New Glenn is ready).

IIRC there's even an ongoing lawsuit from some shareholders against Amazon for not acting in shareholder interest by paying for other much more expensive and less proven launch services rather than flying F9.

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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From the headline, I had hoped that they were smaller Starlink satellites that no longer spoil the night sky so much. I haven't heard from this topic for a long time. Except that there is a darker coating for the newer satellites. Does anyone know how long the individual satellites are in operation before they are sent back to the Earth's atmosphere to have hot fun there?

Have you ever actually had the night sky spoiled by a Starlink?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40704761

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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post #100

From the headline, I had hoped that they were smaller Starlink satellites that no longer spoil the night sky so much. I haven't heard from this topic for a long time. Except that there is a darker coating for the newer satellites. Does anyone know how long the individual satellites are in operation before they are sent back to the Earth's atmosphere to have hot fun there?

To clarify:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40704761

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 launches in mid-2025 isn't really all that promising an indicator for a constellation that needs to launch thousands of satellites. They'd need signs of an extreme ramp up in launches coming, particularly since so many of these earlier launches will have to be on external providers like ULA and ArianeSpace, who are already running delays, need to build entire rockets each time and have little experience with high l…

They indicated previously they changed their mind about using Falcon 9 and Starship.

By 'they' do you mean Amazon?

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Mesh is a mess because meshes do not, in fact, work very well. You set up a mesh network to provide community internet access to an underserved community? 99.9% of traffic will be going to or from the node that connects to the internet at large. That means that although notionally adding a node to the network adds more bandwidth to the network, in practice that's only true if the new node happens to add extra bandwid…

I don't understand how anyone would expect to gain more bandwidth from a mesh. What you gain is coverage , as in distance from uplink. And at least with earlier meshes, you decrease bandwidth even if you use only one device, because now in laptop AP router both links compete for the same airtime.

> I don't understand how anyone would expect to gain more bandwidth from a mesh.

Well, if you had an hourglass-shaped mesh network which was congested at the narrow point of the hourglass, and you recruited an extra node that gave you a second link across the narrow point, by adding the node you've doubled the bandwidth between the bulbs of the hourglass - and improved the redundancy.

The problem is a lot of people imagine this will happen every time they add a node, making the whole thing infinitely scalable. Whereas the reality is any time you add a node that isn't crossing the narrow point of the hourglass, the congestion gets worse.

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how anyone would expect to gain more bandwidth from a mesh. What you gain is coverage , as in distance from uplink. And at least with earlier meshes, you decrease bandwidth even if you use only one device, because now in laptop AP router both links compete for the same airtime.

> I don't understand how anyone would expect to gain more bandwidth from a mesh. Well, if you had an hourglass-shaped mesh network which was congested at the narrow point of the hourglass, and you recruited an extra node that gave you a second link across the narrow point , by adding the node you've doubled the bandwidth between the bulbs of the hourglass - and improved the redundancy. The problem is a lot of people…

You're talking about a world of P2P and local use.

The reality is that practically everyone is using "wifi mesh technology" as range extender for their own singular internet connection, and the internet connection is the bottleneck for practically everything.

Re: First look at the upcoming Starlink Mini

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Some people underestimate how much hate we can have for our legacy ISPs. I’d be happy to pay a premium to never give them another dollar ever again.

Everyone hates their ISP. What are your current expectations around price and bandwidth as the Starlink service becomes more popular in your area? If you have the opportunity to have a fibre or copper connection directly to your unit, it seems like a crazy decision to consider Starlink.

> Everyone hates their ISP

Not really, I loved a local new independent provider that strung its own fibre around, but moved out of that building :(

They were particularly great because they didn’t (at the time) do phone or tv, just pure solid internet. No legacy industry to protect by limiting torrents or gb/month limits (fuck you Bell Canada).

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