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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #114
llamaimperative wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Being racist" doesn't mean committing hate crimes. You're allowed to be racist if you want and you're allowed to pretend you're a racist if you want. The goatfucker law still applies.

It's amazing how far racists will contort and bend over backwards not to see racism. It's like they're pretending racism doesn't exist, and has been totally eliminated in the "real world", and all that online stuff doesn't count. Once they paint themselves into a corner by arguing Trump isn't racist because he hasn't actually been convicted of lynching anyone, so all that stuff about Mexicans being rapists and Obama…

Dude calm down. The only point in making is that making the "okay" hand sign doesnt mean ur affiliated with a white power movement.

Im not justifying racism.

God people on the internet are fucking braindead when it comes to politics.

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #102
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #75

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Fucking goats perpetuates goat fucking, and annoys goats, but it doesn't mean you have to hate the goat and attack it after you fuck it to qualify for being a goat fucker. Either way, love it or hate it, you fucked a goat. Likewise, trolling racist memes perpetuates racism, and if you perpetuate racism, you're a racist, because of the effects of you behavior on other people, regardless of your purported intent, even…

Fuck you and your thought-crime mentality. Im not perpetuating racism. Read my comments again, if you think its appropriate to accuse me of that over the comments I made, than you have truly lost the plot.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #139
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #11

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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.

N*gger jokes are jokes, but that doesn't mean it's not racist to make them and call black people n*gger to their face or online, just because you say you're just joking. And doing that online is just as racist as doing it in person. And your pathetic excuses that it's only teenage boys doing that, and that you know for a fact that all teenage boys who do that are only pretending to be racist because it's impossible f…

Dude its fucking WILD that you are all over this thread calling me a racist for defending the "okay" sign, yet you are straight up dropping N bombs in your comments. The fuck is your problem dude?

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Post by tocs3 »

walterbell wrote: post #115
criddell wrote: post #30

I love that there's a section for conflicts of interest. Would have been interesting to see a disclosure for a pharma company working on syndactyly or a disclosure that the authors belong to some secret society.

Or a disclosure that their ancestors were for or against a secret society.

Or that the authors are themselves in a secret society that uses this gesture.

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Post by jameshart »

mbivert wrote: post #34

> unnatural hand position Is it really unnatural? Interestingly, as a right-handed, the two middle fingers of my right hand tend to effortlessly group together; this feels noticeably less true on my left hand, but still observable if I try to relax it. The peculiar "mission tile" (half-cylindrical) flexibility of the palm region, encouraged by writing for example, may foster this grouping. It's a bit surprising for t…

I think the claim that it’s an unnatural position definitely needs justifying. A search of a corpus of modern photographs to determine the base rate for hands resting in this pose and a comparison of that to the rate depicted in renaissance art would seem to be the minimal due diligence to determine if there’s even an effect that needs explaining, before delving into the relative likelihood of Masonic symbolism.

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Post by jameshart »

onionisafruit wrote: post #38
mbivert wrote: post #34

> unnatural hand position Is it really unnatural? Interestingly, as a right-handed, the two middle fingers of my right hand tend to effortlessly group together; this feels noticeably less true on my left hand, but still observable if I try to relax it. The peculiar "mission tile" (half-cylindrical) flexibility of the palm region, encouraged by writing for example, may foster this grouping. It's a bit surprising for t…

I naturally keep my pinky and ring fingers together on my right hand, and I think this is a result of how I hold my phone. It made me wonder if there is an easily overlooked common activity of that time that would cause people to naturally hold their middle and ring fingers together. Your example of writing makes sense too. Perhaps because writers were a more exclusive club then, prominently showing your subject’s ha…

I’d also consider the possibility that artists might use their own hand as a reference when detailing hands in a painting, and their own physiology might be affected by long hours working with a brush. Artists training other artists might reinforce this collective conclusion that this is a natural relaxed hand pose, because when they look at their own hands that’s often what they see.

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Post by mihaic »

I'm surprised the paper doesn't entertain the notion that some things look cool, artists copy one another, and trends simply start like that naturally.

I mean, it's not like Corinthian style columns have a hidden meaning. They look nice and provide artists with a great default.

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Post by guerrilla »

lkdfjlkdfjlg wrote: post #155

It's just a matter of style. People copy the styles that they identify themselves with/aspire to. Artist copy each other, black kids copy 50cent, white kids copy jake paul, gay men copy each others feminine affectations. Once you notice it, it's everywhere.

> gay men copy each others feminine affectations

Do you know of research on this? I have two gay friends with feminine speech and both are adamant that they don't choose to have this and would prefer not to. Each has their own theory as to why they have it. One suspects it might be (epi)genetic while another suspects its influenced by being raised by women. I can't buy the latter since many very masculine straight men were raised exclusively by women.

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