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Bluesky adds direct messages

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Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#151

Not only are they not end-to-end encrypted, Bluesky's DMs seem like they're entirely centralized. From their 2024 roadmap: > We looked closely at alternatives like linking to external services, re-using an existing protocol like Matrix, or rushing out on-protocol encrypted DMs, but ultimately decided to launch a basic centralized system to take the time pressure off our team and make our user community happy. https:/…

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Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#152
post #145

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It's a stop-gap because people want DMs and implementing them correctly (decentralized, e2e encrypted, etc.) is non-trivial. Rushing e2e encryption is not a good idea (and no, you can't just slap on matrix/signal and call it a day). The alternatives are to: 1. Wait a bit longer for something half-baked that appears to meet the goals (i.e., something you're going to regret but will be unable to replace). 2. Wait even…

e2e encryption is a net loss for a lot of use cases. Particularly, most DMs are spam in my experience. Spam prevention is much harder if the server can't see the message. Spam reporting can be done with sufficient effort, but stopping the known spam from reaching the user in the first place is impossible (the closest you can get is a client-side scan before actually showing the message to the user, which requires dow…

It is my understanding that many E2EE chat systems won't actually E2EE your initial message to someone you aren't already mutual in-app contacts with.

Either E2EE is something you "upgrade" an existing conversation into (only after both sides consent to the conversation); or E2EE is something that only inherently establishes once both sides have sent one-another a message; or E2EE is something you can only enable before you start a conversation, if you already have the other person's public key (which you only get when you request to add them as a contact, and they accept.)

I think schemes like this balance privacy with spam-prevention quite well: privacy-conscious people can explicitly add each-other before either person says anything / can send intentional small-talk as pairing messages; while everyone else gets the benefit of a central spam-filter sitting between them and messages from strangers.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#153

reminder for all the twitter haters: Twitter's good! Yes, I know there's plenty of reasons you'll nitpick twitter and I can nitpick bluesky as well. More competition is good and I like to see it. Go where your friends are and have a good time. If you want the edge of Ai/ML, I suggest twitter. Lots of world class accounts. Bluesky is good, has more old school... like 'harry potter' type nerds on it. They post interest…

>Twitter's good!

It's really not. It was good for a short while, way before the Muskquisition but the quality both of the service and of discourse have declined.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#155
post #136

I really want bsky to succeed. They have a promising product. Users and Content are all that matters now.

They have a product, but do they have a business? I haven't kept up with them lately; do they have anything approaching a revenue model that would sustain them and provide good returns to their investors?

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#156
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This could also be seen as a weakness. The lack of focus means fragmentation. Fragmentation means confusion. Users tend to want/need to know what to use and where to go. Telling someone, "go get an email account," will leave them asking more questions or giving up. It's a homework assignment for research. Telling someone, "go get a gmail account," is an actionable thing they can do. We made it there with email, but t…

Check primal.net to find that app you are talking about.

“The Social Bitcoin Wallet”

Hard pass. Why would I ever want my wallet to be social? What does a social network have to do with Bitcoin? This sounds like social media for insufferable crypto bros.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#157

reminder for all the twitter haters: Twitter's good! Yes, I know there's plenty of reasons you'll nitpick twitter and I can nitpick bluesky as well. More competition is good and I like to see it. Go where your friends are and have a good time. If you want the edge of Ai/ML, I suggest twitter. Lots of world class accounts. Bluesky is good, has more old school... like 'harry potter' type nerds on it. They post interest…

I don’t think my wife would be happy with me getting a girlfriend.

;) she wants to see you happy

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#158

Um... So all the money, all the development, to create Twitter² and they just added DMs? That seems an underwhelming achievement.

The headline is that it's not a shithole ridden with ads, spam, influencers, scams, etc. That's the important part of replacing Twitter.

Neither was Twitter at the equivalent point in time.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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post #158

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The headline is that it's not a shithole ridden with ads, spam, influencers, scams, etc. That's the important part of replacing Twitter.

Neither was Twitter at the equivalent point in time.

Very true, and if Bluesky sucks 5 years down the road I'll leave for something new.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

#160
post #4

It is so far behind Mastodon. Both in terms of features and in terms of communities on there. The people I interact with on BlueSky are nice, and the website is serviceable. But like Pebble / T2, I just don't see the momentum there.

I think the primary difference is in the communities. Every six months or so I log back into Mastodon and the discussion there is one hard 'Nope' for me. I don't understand why I'd voluntarily read a platform where every other post is a 'call out' of something 'problematic' according to the warped world view of '@CatMomLibrarian' or something similar.

Cutting out the Nazis from Twitter is a great start, but Mastodon has done this by simply doubling down on the other end of the horseshoe. It's Truth Social for the other fringe.

BlueSky seems somewhat richer in normal people, but that probably won't last if the platform is successful over time. It seems in the nature of social networks to be taken over by parasitic outrage grifters.

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