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The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by 999900000999 »

All this thing does is send off an API request to chat GPT or something else like it. As is you can give chat GPT an image and it'll read it for you, and interpret it or whatnot.

You can just use Chat GPT on your phone and get 90% of the same experience. But then it's a matter of branding. To some it's cooler to use a toy like this. Sorta like how Beats headphones are often beaten by headphones costing a 1/3rd.

Edit: At 200$ I'm not mad, it's ultimately a toy. Much better than the AI pin costing 700$ + 25$ a month.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by kaoD »

paxys wrote: post #136
omnimus wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its amazing TE has such a brand that people think these are their products.

I doubt anyone outside of a handful of HN commenters knows Teenage Engineering.

Anyone interested in synthesizers knows TE.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by joshl32532 »

wg0 wrote: post #144

Basic appeal is about form factor. Underlying OS is an Implementation detail. It could very well be running Minix or BSD. And towards that end, it seems these devices are underpowered, drain batteries faster, require an Internet trip to do anything and that anything could often easily be hallucinations. And that's where these AI devices don't seem to have a chance to ever even a dedicated user base.

> Basic appeal is about form factor.

It would be much more appealing to me as a watch. Since it can at least tell time, and I don't need to carry it around in my pocket, which I'm already carrying a phone and a wallet. I'll need a 3rd pocket for this?

Much quicker to access for quick question, take voice notes too.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wmf »

999900000999 wrote: post #151

All this thing does is send off an API request to chat GPT or something else like it. As is you can give chat GPT an image and it'll read it for you, and interpret it or whatnot. You can just use Chat GPT on your phone and get 90% of the same experience. But then it's a matter of branding. To some it's cooler to use a toy like this. Sorta like how Beats headphones are often beaten by headphones costing a 1/3rd. Edit:…

You're forgetting the app automation features (that currently don't work well).

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wmf »

Johnny555 wrote: post #143
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

One reason was mentioned in the article: After all, the Rabbit R1’s launcher app is intended to be preinstalled in the firmware and be granted several privileged, system-level permissions — only some of which we were able to grant — so some of the functions would likely fail if we tried And the statement from Rabbit in the article says essentially the same: rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with very bespoke AOSP an…

Are these privileged system-level permissions in the room with us now? What specifically are they?

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by imtringued »

constantcrying wrote: post #71
samspenc wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I would actually expect most hardware like this to be running on some open-source OS, either Android (AOSP), Linux or some variant. I mean, even the hardware that Meta and Amazon produce are built on top of Android / Linux variants, so I would be surprised if smaller players were writing their own custom OS these days.

Anything else would also be completely insane. Usually your two options are Android or yocto depending on how custom you want your system to be and whether you want to rather write an android app. There is nothing worthy of criticism in the fact they choose android as a base.

A competitor (e.g. Google) could come up with an app based version at any time. That app based version could simply integrate with the apps you have already installed. So far this thing is just a quirky feature phone.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by nikcub »

tb1989 wrote: post #87

Doesn't surprise me. In my opinion, many companies try to achieve outrageous premiums by taking the route of teen engineering (the originator of hype). In addition to rabbit, there is also a series of nothing products. This doesn't convince the tech fetishists. In fact, I think te's contribution to music is very limited, even harmful, especially when I see the latest Yamaha even imitating te, which feels a bit funny…

Twitter thread on rabbit's founder and his previous involvement with NFTs that he scrubbed:

https://twitter.com/Andyparackal/status/1785676408280498655

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by marcinzm »

wmf wrote: post #154
999900000999 wrote: post #151

All this thing does is send off an API request to chat GPT or something else like it. As is you can give chat GPT an image and it'll read it for you, and interpret it or whatnot. You can just use Chat GPT on your phone and get 90% of the same experience. But then it's a matter of branding. To some it's cooler to use a toy like this. Sorta like how Beats headphones are often beaten by headphones costing a 1/3rd. Edit:…

You're forgetting the app automation features (that currently don't work well).

Nothing about those features is specific to this device. OpenAI can do it in their app, or Google/Apple as a built in phone integration. In fact those companies have more data, more compute, more experience and more end users which matters a lot for AI. And most importantly, OpenAI/Google/Apple can basically get app developers to add any missing details into their apps. Rabbit can't.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by nikcub »

giaour wrote: post #134
kstrauser wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What whole app could completely take over for Siri or whatever Google’s version is, with a single button press launching the app and putting you directly into command mode, at any time, without unlocking anything first? I don’t blame Rabbit for wanting to control the hardware they run on.

Android lets you choose which digital assistant app to use. Settings > Apps > Default apps > Digital assistant app. Stock Android will have this preconfigured to Google Assistant, but it's designed to be swappable.

The EU are almost certainly going to push this onto Apple too once they realise the big tech co's are going to use their browser and phone distribution to push their new LLM based assistant products to market

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

It sounds like this product isn't where it should be, and likely shipped too early.

That said long term I want them or others to succeed.

The last thing I want (and most others should want) is a world where only Apple and Google are the only ones hosting mobile AI products.

As any phone OS integrated Apple AI or Google AI will beat out any shipped apps store AI app long term.

If a new hardware form factor is the way to break that duopoly then I wish them all the best.

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