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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by paulddraper »

reducesuffering wrote: post #145
paulddraper wrote: post #139

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I find people to be inconsistent. This conversation has happened more than once: "I really like Carter's presidency because he was a good person." "Oh so you must hate Clinton." "Well, you can't judge a president based on his personal life." "..."

Ok so you're assuming Clinton was a terrible person, I'm assuming off of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Is there anything else to reach that conclusion?

Yeah, when judging personal character, I can't imagine cheating on your spouse would put you in the "good" category.

But maybe I'm old-fashioned like that.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by sdiupIGPWEfh »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
sdiupIGPWEfh wrote: post #9

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I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us. It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

> The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us.

I've witnessed quite a few odd lights in the night sky, myself! And an equal or greater number of military aircraft flying overhead, between bases, by day. None of which I've ever managed to get a good photo of, even when it's a bomber passing over low and slow, much to my disappointment.

> It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

I recall quite of lot those stories also included electronics behaving weirdly, which would make for quite a convenient excuse. Though I suppose a phone might preserve some evidence of that. But surely enough of those prone to making more outlandish claims aren't thinking of that?

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by Ancapistani »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
sdiupIGPWEfh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

The “lights in the sky” stuff has always had better explanations. I watched a C-5 fly over low at night in the Adirondacks and it was very odd; very UFO-y until just before it passed over us. It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

> It’s the “the spaceship landed next to me in my farm field and aliens came out” claims that have faded away.

I've had one of those experiences.

I was very young - maybe 12 or so - and my memory of those events makes little logical sense. I had a friend with me who saw the same things, so I'm sure it's not a completely false memory... but I was also suffering from sleep paralysis at the time.

I don't even recount the story any more. It's counterproductive - why bother analyzing an old memory like that when I know my experiences at the time weren't reliable and none of it makes sense from a scientific perspective? There's nothing to be gained.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by chipdart »

Timon3 wrote: post #120
chipdart wrote: post #29

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> There are absolutely scads of purported "lights in the sky" style UFO videos taken from mobile phones on the prominent UFO subreddits. I don't think you got the point. Before camera phones were ubiquitous, the bulk of reports were very elaborate and fantastic tales where the so-called witness played a central role in the story. Once everyone started carrying a camera, all we see is questionable light shows taken fr…

Is it strange? I'd say it's fair to assume that potential alien visitors would want their existence to be hidden, or at least not known to the broad population[1]. Working under that assumption, isn't that exactly the behavior you'd expect? It would be incredibly unlikely for humanity to be the first civilization potential aliens make contact with. They'd probably have a lot of knowledge about interactions with lesse…

> Is it strange? I'd say it's fair to assume that potential alien visitors (...)

Just because you personally can't provide an explanation for a photo or a video, which I might add can very well be fake and often are, that does not mean you can fill in the explanation field with nonsense. That's what nutjobs and conspiracy loons do.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by hellojesus »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #62
jdewerd wrote: post #25

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I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation). He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.

Carter is straight up the best president we’ve had since FDR and yes I will die on that hill, specifically I will die on the hill which says that Carter was way better than JFK. Carter is straight up the best individual person we have elected in 100+ years. Glad to see at least HN agrees that he was based.

Funny considering I think FDR was one of the worst presidents we've had. Among the unconstitutional Wagner Act, social security, he also created far too many useless public jobs.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by keepamovin »

likeabbas wrote: post #121
keepamovin wrote: post #109

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At least it's getting discussed now. I think part of the reason could be Grusch is like "the deep end" for many people. Whereas Carter seeing a maybe-UFO is an easier introduction, which is perfectly fine! Everyone is at a different stage at this point :) BTW this was a really good summary!!! :)

ty :) this is definitely a topic that's too taboo for most people to touch, but the allegations of the DoD withholding information from congress is very serious and this should not be overlooked. If his claims are true, our democracy is in peril imo

Ur welcome! :) Totally, it is something which majorly does not look good.

I think people in power should just come clean and say "We have no idea what's going on." But how can people in power admit something more powerful is toying with them?

It's pretty hard, but I think their honesty would build credibility and begin the path not just of healing but of figuring out: what it is, do we need to respond, and how to respond. And getting away from the tired narrative of relying on government for "disclosure", that only recenters their authority in the face of a threat to it, and disempowers people. But I think we need to be empowered to deal with this: whether it's militarily, scientifically or studied in other ways.

I think this is something that we need to deal with together, as a country or even world. I don't think some group of people working in the shadows can handle it. Hasn't it been 100 years already? But their reactions are still some reflection of "run, deny, hide". Not a great look for leaders and systems we are supposed to depend on!! So I think it can be better handled for sure.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by keepamovin »

karmakaze wrote: post #134
keepamovin wrote: post #107

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Did he mean that like: - "I know I saw something that violated my laws of physics, but my knowledge of physics prevented me from believing it (was a physical object/ was real/ was actually behaving in the physics-violating way I saw)." or - "From my knowledge of physics it was clear that aliens could not get here, so whatever I saw could not have been their craft." or something else?

This seems to be over-analyzing. I take it to mean it didn't feel like any kind of physical object to him. You know how in the moment you're either going to react with "oh shit!" or "curious..." because you made an unconscious snap judgement. I don't think he deeply considered how different alien physical objects could behave with far advanced science, then decided how to feel about that.

It's not over analyzing, hahaha! :) We're going to get more by analyzing what it is. I get what you're sayin' but it's important to consider the possible meanings, right?

I think your take is fair, but it's just another interpretation like mine. Otherwise how it's taken or presented could be totally different to how it's intended.

> I don't think he deeply considered how different alien physical objects could behave with far advanced science, then decided how to feel about that.

No but he could have considered more on reflection then provided an answer that was the result of that. Hahaha! :) This discussion between us is like proof of why it's important to consider.

We don't want Jimmy Carter to be a puppet for whatever ideology or theory, we want to know what we thought. Hahah! :)

But I also reflect that maybe these sort of statements where it's ambiguous isn't that important to consider, because you can't really know, ya know what i mean? :) Hahah. So funny you say over analyzing but then we get down into analysis of it hahahaha! :)

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by keepamovin »

keepamovin wrote: post #104
chipdart wrote: post #24

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> Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. You certainly aren't being serious. The term UFO has been so abused by crackpots and conspiracy loons that it managed to be synonymous with unbelievable reports of aliens.

Oh, I'm being serious. But the point about 'UFO' is different to the point about mischaracterizing people: which you seem to be doing. That seems to be an abusive thing, definitely.

Also, I think the 'UFO' term is good. Detected on radar, probably means object. UAP is too nebulous possibly deliberately so to confuse. UFO's the better term I think. I honestly think the chracterization of people interested in that as 'crazy' or 'crackpot' is not only abusive, and stupid (and not serious), it's not true at all, I don't think it ever was.

I think that idea is some kind of 'propaganda'. There has been an information war about this topic because the existence of a more powerful outside force directly challenges the authority of our Earth governments, so in the face of no other means to contest these things, they've sought to belittle interest in them to empower themselves. Controlling the narrative rather than the nuts and bolts. But the kind of abuse of the public is untrue, and like wartime propaganda against the Japanese as "they will eat your babies and take your women."

The crazy thing is having that view, and the non serious thing is characterizing people like that. That's what I think, and I think that's the right way. I mean, you can't make progress on understanding something if you try to shame anyone who wants to talk about it, get interested in it or study it.

Seriously tho, if you were an invading alien force wouldn't you want people to discount your existence as crazy? What better way to run cover for your infiltration? Hahaha! :) So the whole thing is bizarre but I think it's not profitable to go that way. It's only good to treat people well, and this topic is no exception. Not just for the reality of treating people well, but so we can study it properly. The serious way is to take it seriously. :)

And what is better, seriously, than something that could help bring about a Star Trek future? Fucking cool I think. So I think people who bring a negativity or an abusiveness there are just projecting, either their own shit, or the shit that's been fed to them by propaganda. And if you really want to be a free thinker you just have to get outside of that. I think that's the best way to move forward on this. Positive and fun. open and curious. And lookin to the future and seein what we need to see as risk and opportunity. Yeah! :) Haha

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by Timon3 »

chipdart wrote: post #154
Timon3 wrote: post #120

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Is it strange? I'd say it's fair to assume that potential alien visitors would want their existence to be hidden, or at least not known to the broad population[1]. Working under that assumption, isn't that exactly the behavior you'd expect? It would be incredibly unlikely for humanity to be the first civilization potential aliens make contact with. They'd probably have a lot of knowledge about interactions with lesse…

> Is it strange? I'd say it's fair to assume that potential alien visitors (...) Just because you personally can't provide an explanation for a photo or a video, which I might add can very well be fake and often are, that does not mean you can fill in the explanation field with nonsense. That's what nutjobs and conspiracy loons do.

Sure, but that doesn't mean you should argue with faulty logic. That's no better than what nutjobs and conspiracy loons do.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by hackerlight »

WillAdams wrote: post #114
dahart wrote: post #80

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> the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous Wait, which UFO thing are you referring to? Carter never thought it was anything extraterrestrial, he stated that he assumed it was a natural or man-made event. Are you saying it’s strange that some people believe in aliens?

I think it's strange to believe that a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed due to the requirements of: - velocity --- it would need to be moving quickly and would have to decelerate (requires energy) to do more than pass through - life support/technology requirements and attendant heat signature --- interstellar space is _cold_ and not conducive to either, so requires on-going energy output -…

No reason to think they're biological.
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