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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by triceratops »

ethbr1 wrote: post #142
aitchnyu wrote: post #104

Just when I contemplated the days of cows eating cow brains and getting prion diseases was behind us, I learned they are allowed to be fed "chicken litter" which is fancy term for shit and dead bodies. How about we limit our food animals to vegetarian feed? It may be less cholestrol-genic too.

You know what a key source of protein is in chicken feed? Crab/fish meal. Which is to say leftovers after processing, dried and ground. https://www.feedipedia.org/node/664 At the end of the day, non-pasture food animal raising boils down to getting enough nutrients and time into them to hit your target slaughter weight, subject to feed conversion ratio for the species. Cheaper nutrients = higher margins or lower prod…

Chickens eat worms. Feeding them crab or fish meal is fine.

Cows are herbivores. Feeding them meat is abhorrent.

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Post by skhunted »

Dalewyn wrote: post #129
skhunted wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a description of human behavior and how humans are local optimization machines I think you are spot on. This is where I disagree with you: …rightfully noone is willing… I don’t believe this is right in the moral sense or in a global optimization sense. The world’s people are getting richer and as the world’s population begins to live more and more like Americans the world becomes exponentially more polluted. This…

>the world becomes exponentially more polluted. ... The world is becoming a toxic shithole. I would strongly advise easing off on your intake of mainstream news media, the real world is quite pleasant out here.

I use Foxnews.com. Who should I use?

Isn’t it a mathematical fact that if Americans consume exponentially more resources than others then as more people gain wealth commensurate with Americans then exponentially more resources will be consumed? Or do you think Americans are especially greedy in this respect? I had not considered that possibility.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/forever-chemicals-found-us-dr...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/india-new-delhi-air-pollution-...

https://www.foxnews.com/health/contaminated-beach-water-coul...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/global-air-pollution-persists-...

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by splitrocket »

lettergram wrote: post #48
drewcon wrote: post #42

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The virus is killed by pasteurization. There is no live virus in the milk.

If anything it could vaccinate folks

Vaccine => Vaca => Cow

The OG Vaccine was rubbing pus from cowpox pustules into a scratch on your body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#History

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by slowmovintarget »

mailund wrote: post #107
mattmaroon wrote: post #13

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It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

not my field, but isn't meat pretty lossy compression food-wise? IIRC, feeding an animal to later eat instead of just eating what the animal would eat wastes like 90% (not sure of the exact figure) of the calories. So if we just ate the plants directly and easily cover our caloric needs without going through the cow-middleman. Kind of like, instead of feeding the cows a bunch of soy and then eating the cow, just eat…

So you chow down on a nice plate of grass? Humans can't derive nutrition that way.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by skhunted »

drewcon wrote: post #150
skhunted wrote: post #109

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You think 8 billion people can live like Americans in a sustainable way? Now by sustainable, I mean that we do so in a way that does not turn the world into a pollution infested shithole. If all 8 billion people lived like Americans where would the pollution be exported too? Who would do the work that people who live like Americans won’t do but depend on people doing? The distribution of resources in the world is gro…

Yes.

Mind answering the non rhetorical questions? As it stands it appears you have no adequate answer.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by triceratops »

someplaceguy wrote: post #125
lm28469 wrote: post #54

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We waste like 1/3rd of the food and half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh

> half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh I don't think half of the planet is overweight or obese due to meat consumption. If anything, take away the meat (or make it more expensive) and it'd probably lead to even more obesity.

Middle Ages peasants ate meat rarely. They were not obese.

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Post by philipov »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #111
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

Air travel is a bigger spread of disease, should we ban air travel?

This is not the slam dunk "no" you think it is.

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Post by jvanderbot »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #111
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

Air travel is a bigger spread of disease, should we ban air travel?

I believe you're joking, but if not, it's about tradeoffs and Pareto optimal solutions.

Lifestyles and civilization doesn't significantly change if we all halve or eliminate need for factory animal farms in developed countries.

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Post by triceratops »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #119
CWIZO wrote: post #56

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A plant-based diet is cheaper than a regular diet: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea...

Looking at Tesco online in UK: there's a soy protein 'mince' a £3.72/kg. Beef or chicken mince at £5. Quorn mycoprotein at £8.33. Beyond Meat at £13. Out of the 5 vegan and 8 vegetarian options, only the soy protein is cheaper than meat. I might replace one meal a week with the soy protein, but I'd be concerned about long term effects of phytoestrogen, especially on growing children? Mind you many foods have some hid…

The imitation meat stuff is always expensive. Going straight to that for protein betrays a lack of imagination or culinary knowledge.

How about beans, lentils, and frozen peas?

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Post by hbossy »

bamboozled wrote: post #39
bayindirh wrote: post #6

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Probably not. Unless you have ulcers or open wounds in your mouth/trachea, virus will be digested and destroyed in stomach acid.

Won't the virus be killed by pasteurization which most milk is?

Virus doesn't need to active for vaccine to work.
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