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Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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post #102

It's pretty funny to me to see an Apple user complaining about lack of interop with other ecosystems. You've chosen your walled garden; now it's time to realize you're stuck in it. The author seems to blame everyone but Apple for this, though. Apparently it's Google's fault that his preferred podcast app isn't available on Android. What about the app developer, who has decided not to support Android? And it's the aut…

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TFA yapped about iPhones 8.7x more than OP

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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post #150
post #4

CarPlay mostly works, and although it has issues it's definitely user-focused. CarPlay doesn't prevent car makers from tracking vehicle activity. In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. The first generation of iDrive showed that rich people people will buy cars in spite of the in-car stuff. In fact, most car infotainment sucks, yet people still buy cars…

>In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. My ideal "infotainment" is a button that lets me pair bluetooth and volume/skip controls on my steering wheel. I have a phone mount, like almost everyone does. I don't need a display on my dashboard. AA/CarPlay (and everything else) are genuinely just distracting annoyances that take up space. Especially in newer…

Likewise. I vastly prefer the physical buttons, as I can hit them without taking my eyes off the road. The only two things I use infotainment for is mapping and music control.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

#154

I disagree with this love of hooking my $1000 phone to my $30000 car. Everywhere else in my house, I try to make gadgets independent of one another. I remember when a printer worked only when it was hooked to a PC to be its server. That was bad. It’s much better for my printer to hook to the network directly. Some thermostats require a phone to program them. That’s bad. The thermostat should have full functionality a…

Have you used CarPlay?

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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post #108

If you're in the market for a new-to-you car, then I recommend looking at the model years where they switch from wired car-play to wireless car-play and buying the previous model-year. Typically this difference of one model-year can add thousands to the cost of the vehicle, especially because wireless car-play is so coveted. The experience of wireless is fantastic, but is it worth several thousand dollars? Maybe, but…

I haven't used wireless yet, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing, but I kinda just don't see why I'd ever need it. I'm going to plug in my phone anyway to charge, so what's the draw?

It’s kinda convenient for short trips (thus no plugging required) because it just works: it shows up on screen immediately when you get into the car, no extra movements. Also, I think cars with wireless CarPlay are equipped with wireless charging for a convenient combo.

But boy it’s enraging to use with multiple phones when you share a car with someone. It will stay connected to other person phone, while in range, and, if you to call that person, car will ring. It’s chaos… or maybe it’s just me.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that most cars ship with both Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, so you (or your passengers) don't need to commit to one mobile OS only because of the car you bought.

Oh yes, current cars do. I'm concerned about the situation where Apple provides the onboard infotainment system, which is what's being talked about in the post.

The proposal is not replacing the infotainment with carplay. It's adding a second infotainment system

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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post #108

If you're in the market for a new-to-you car, then I recommend looking at the model years where they switch from wired car-play to wireless car-play and buying the previous model-year. Typically this difference of one model-year can add thousands to the cost of the vehicle, especially because wireless car-play is so coveted. The experience of wireless is fantastic, but is it worth several thousand dollars? Maybe, but…

I haven't used wireless yet, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing, but I kinda just don't see why I'd ever need it. I'm going to plug in my phone anyway to charge, so what's the draw?

I don’t find I need to charge - my phone lasts all day even with relatively heavy CarPlay use. I suspect it uses less power than you think it might because it doesn’t need to power the screen.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

#158

Apple is a predatory partner Every partnership Apple enters must result in Apple winning and the other party simply being a subservient cog So, no one wants to do business with them in new markets where Apple doesn't have leverage This is why they couldn't get a manufacturing partner for the now-dead Apple car...no one wanted to be the Foxconn of cars (they do all the work, Apple gets all the credit)

I am _very_ happy that the manufacturer of my car is a subservient cog wrt the infotainment system. They suck at when they’re not a subservient cog.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Control over what, exactly? Planned obsolesence. Without proper CarPlay/AA integration, car manufacturers get to decide when those whiz-bang infotainment features stop working. You'd have to replace the whole car to get those features back instead of just buying a new phone.

Do people do that? I just use my phone beside the old useless infotainment. Honestly, I wouldn't buy a new car that used an in-house infotainment specifically because they go obsolete quickly (<5-10 years) and cannot be economically (or at all) to the latest tech. Carplay seems to be long lived.

My vehicle (a mid teens Volvo) doesn’t support CarPlay or AA. Its infotainment system gets its data from 3G, so it doesn’t get data anymore. Music is through Bluetooth, which works well enough. Navigating means using the clunky in-car nav with no traffic data or a phone with the volume turned way up.

It’s far from ideal but at least I have zero expectations for my next car.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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post #34

There's an interesting gap when discussing carplay/aa. Cars from the 90s up until about 2013 can be easily fitted with a $500 head unit upgrade, and support carplay quite well. With the right tools, it can be done in about two hours right in your driveway. Cars from 2018 and up pretty universally support carplay, and it's generally quite well integrated into the car's infotainment system. But, between 2013 and 2017,…

People like to complain about touch screens and lack of buttons, but the loss of the double DIN slot is a much worse loss. It more or less forces you to buy a new car to get satellite navigation updates or properly functioning Bluetooth.
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