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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by vlz »

codexb wrote: post #44
aestetix wrote: post #32

I watched the video. Maybe I am not understanding the visuals, but it looked like the narrator's conclusions do not actually match the data. He is trying to make an argument that poor kids need extra help or they will have a rough life. But the data seems to show that over the last 20 years, people from all background types are likely to experience bad things. Granted the last 20 years has been pretty awful, with 9/1…

They even through in a non-sequitur jab at Trump for good measure. This is what happens when you use ideology to read and interpret data rather than the other way around.

The following is the full passage. It has Trump's as well as other president‘s (Reagan, Clinton) quotes as evidence for a certain kind of responsibility rhetoric. I think it is neither non-sequitur nor ideological but judge for yourself:

> It's 2015.

> In one year, the US will elect Donald Trump as president – a man who constantly insults poor people and calls them "morons."

> This generation grew up hearing presidents say similar things. Ronald Reagan said people go hungry because of "a lack of knowledge," and that people are homeless "by choice." Bill Clinton said "personal responsibility" is the way to overcome poverty. We grew up in a country where most people believed the top reason for poverty was drug abuse, and half of Americans blamed poor people for being poor.

(The article has links to the quotes.)

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by jagthebeetle »

RobCat27 wrote: post #14

I like the message, but I feel like this is bad data visualization. The width of each group of people is not the same, so it's somewhat meaningless to visually compare groups without being able to see the raw percentages. For example, the "Many Adverse Experiences" group is stretched to be longer than the other groups so that proportionally fewer people in that group appear to be a larger proportion than the same pro…

Agreed, not least because: - area-based visualizations make the effect hard to distinguish; bar charts or data clouds with numbers and confidence intervals would have been way more immediate. - the colors make the negative group (usually) more visually prominent, since it has higher contrast with the background, exacerbating the area-estimation problem. (e.g. me wondering, "are there more overweight pink people as a fraction of pink people?")

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by sublimefire »

oglop wrote: post #121

“Ultimately, initial conditions matter” Whoa. Mind blown. Worth the infinite scroll and meandering presentation. Condescending and pearl clutching read. I used the military to escape. Life’s tough, navel gazing and pushing college doesn’t help in the vast majority of cases. Everyone has adverse things happen, but not everyone makes the choice to start finding solutions.

Great point, getting away is an important step when you are stuck in an environment that causes more harm to you than good. I think one of the related issues is that it is difficult to get away when you are 14 or similar.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by VyseofArcadia »

aidenn0 wrote: post #36
michaelt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i keep hearing that Millennials are having less sex than all previous generations This article is about a longitudinal study; it follows "Alex" who was age 13 in 1997, i.e. born in 1984. US teen birth rates have been falling a lot - 61 births per 1000 in 1991 fell to ~48 births per 1000 in 2002 (When Alex would have been 18) and continued falling to just 13.9 births per 1000 today according to https://www.statista.…

Might be poor reporting, but it's not hard to find headlines like: Why millennials are having less sex than generation Xers [1] 1: https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/health/millennials-less-sex-t...

The article refers specifically to people aged 20-24 in 2016, but the headline just says "Millennials".

I, a millennial, was 30 by then.

My younger brother, a millennial, was only 23.

Millennials are people who were born between 1981 and 1996. Some millennials were having sex when other millennials were toddlers. I would call it poor reporting to call out a 15-year wide cohort when the research being reported spans a narrow 4 of those years.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by jpm_sd »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #12

The scrolling on Android was horrible, much like being a teenager. Well done.

Oh, is that the issue with all of this scroll-jacking bullshit web design lately? I'm not using the Designer's Choice mobile platform, so my experience just sucks? NYTimes is one of the worst offenders.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by fwungy »

ein0p wrote: post #136

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Parenting approaches vary in nature and culture. Some feature high parental involvement and long childhoods, while others have very short childhoods, or none at all.

These are evolutionary advantages and disadvantages to both strategies. In a highly stressed environment individuals who are less dependent on parental protection will be more likely to survive. The advantage of long childhoods and high parental involvement is that the individual will evolve sophisticated behaviors.

To simply assume everyone is exactly the same at birth and modified by society to an outcome is a vast simplification that requires substantial scientific justification, you cannot just assume it given the variations of parenting we see in nature.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by styxfrix »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #148
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less kids in households that don't want them. This is a pipeline problem. Intentional children only. Hard topic to cover online, nuance and emotions on the topic. > I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change. You're a good person doing necessary work. There aren't enough humans doing it, but it matters to who you're helping.

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Presenting dire conclusions without providing a shred of substance?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by bsimpson »

throwway120385 wrote: post #45
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less kids in households that don't want them. This is a pipeline problem. Intentional children only. Hard topic to cover online, nuance and emotions on the topic. > I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change. You're a good person doing necessary work. There aren't enough humans doing it, but it matters to who you're helping.

It would also help if more people that are doing marginal work could receive a wage that they felt secure with. Money is one of the biggest stressors for couples and families.

I don't understand how to practically make this work.

There's a strong case to be made that a minimum wage helps people whose value approaches the minimum while hurting people above or below (e.g. $12 and $18 wages in an unlimited market both round to $15 with a minimum, while someone who only produces $7 of value is no longer employable). Similarly with cash infusions - giving people more money is inflationary.

Nobody wants to live in a world where people are trying to participate in society and failing. That's truly heartbreaking.

At the same time, naive solutions (decide a "living wage" and force people to pay it, set up and enforce rent control, give out stimulus payments) seem to have a lot of second-order effects/unintended consequences without actually solving the problems they're meant to solve.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by paulgb »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #141
ein0p wrote: post #136

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In before this gets flagged /massively downvoted. If you don’t explain your intentions it comes off as brainwashing the viewer. Because otherwise they’re just mindlessly taking in whatever you’re telling them. So what are we supposed to take from this?

In case readers aren't familiar with The Pudding, they sometimes have an angle but are just as often interesting data explorations aimed at their intellectually curious audience. I don't think they need to have an agenda for every piece, although I understand the suspicion for people not familiar with their work.

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=pudding.cool

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by OmarShehata »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #141
ein0p wrote: post #136

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In before this gets flagged /massively downvoted. If you don’t explain your intentions it comes off as brainwashing the viewer. Because otherwise they’re just mindlessly taking in whatever you’re telling them. So what are we supposed to take from this?

It's not clear but I think what it's signaling is a progressive ideal of taking ownership over the collective good / a rehabilitation mindset towards crime vs a punishment, based on the following that's meant to get the viewer to empathize with "failure" as an adult is due to factors beyond just personal responsibility.

> When we're young, we have so little control over their lives [...] Then we turn 18 and we're expected to be "adults" and figure things out. > > If we fail, we are punished. > > We are blamed for not going to college [...]

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