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Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by parpfish »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #82
TexanFeller wrote: post #16

I have ADHD and am autistic so loud open floor plan offices are a challenge. I'm in the category of people most likely to benefit from remote. Honestly it's been a much bigger challenge trying to collaborate and connect with coworkers in the new world than trying to cope with an office. People often don't perceive you as an actual human if you've only ever been a video square to them. And quick collaboration just doe…

There's a compelling argument that new hires should be work from office for their first couple of weeks, and that their team should probably spend more time in the office during the new hire's first few weeks too. That's no reason to throw out hybrid work wholesale, though, and if that's the only thing keeping a workplace from going full remote the full costs and benefits need to be weighed appropriately.

I love WFH, but I admit that it would’ve been really tough as a junior employee learning the ropes. It’s easy to lean over and ask someone a quick question in person and/or learn passively by just seeing how they work. No equivalent that I can see wfh.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by mvkel »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

Well you don't need to be on video calls if you're in person.

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Post by runcibleai »

The best part about hybrid work and, even more so, fully remote work is the benefit to the business’s productivity. The ability to lay off or replace employees without ever meeting them in person allows for rapid adjustments to the work force and faster replacement of low performers. Better yet, replacing employees with AI solutions is much easier and more convenient without worrying about a physical element. The APIs for the AI based workers have effectively been established already.

I think it’s very brave of employees to recognize the writing on the wall and help make themselves more easily replaceable.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by notabee »

datascienced wrote: post #74
theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

A lot of business executives fall into the demographic that heavily invests into commercial real estate, which is facing some substantial depreciation. Telling everyone they need to get back to the office would help to keep those prices up. To everyone else, they have no incentive to keep fighting traffic every day (and paying for it) to go to an uncomfortable place full of maybe awful people.

That doesn’t make sense unless the CEO owns the building the company rents. If you have money in REIT then your company’s little decision wont affect it. Anymore than buying a single share of Apple will affect the price.

It's called class solidarity, which the wealthy are smart enough to have and everyone else gets grind culture and crab bucket mentality instead.

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Post by alsetmusic »

grugagag wrote: post #134
al_borland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone has to relocate to a HCOL area for a hybrid job, the WFH days are seen by the company as a benefit, but the move to the HCOL area is generally going to be a net loss. It’s not enough of a benefit to make up for the significantly higher housing costs.

I agree and never thought about it this way as im already in a HCOL area (NY). Also In not allowed hybrid where I work, the office is cramped, noisy and hostile to deep work.

I’m HCOL both because of the market (SF Bay Area) and because I love the area. I’d still be here even if I switched professions. In this scenario, getting any wfh days is a win. My previous employer went fully remote and my current one is hybrid. I’ve never relocated for a job, so this aspect simply never occurred to me.

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Post by alsetmusic »

jltsiren wrote: post #140
charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

I find quarterly retreats worse than hybrid. You lose control of your life, if you have to travel for a week or two every quarter, with the dates set by the employer. I don't mind business travel as such, but I expect to be the one who decides if the trip is worth doing.

My previous employer brought everyone to town for a week with only two days counting g toward the retreat. I really loved the social aspect of it, getting to know people from other states whose role meant I’d never really interacted with them. I found out a guy who I’d thought of as a liability was actually a really great guy. Food and drinks as a team ftw. (We were a ~25 person team; our small size was a major contributing factor.)

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by [deleted] »

ryandrake wrote: post #94
datascienced wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t make sense unless the CEO owns the building the company rents. If you have money in REIT then your company’s little decision wont affect it. Anymore than buying a single share of Apple will affect the price.

I've never understood the "because CEOs invest in commercial real estate" angle. Like really? Why would senior executives be more likely than the general investing public to invest in that one very specific asset class? It seems like a small tail wagging a big dog.

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by alsetmusic »

grugagag wrote: post #138
thfuran wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A two hour one way commute is entirely unreasonable at any frequency unless it's on the clock.

I have 2 hours round trip every day, 5 days a week. Id take 2 four hour round trips in an instant just because being in the office 5 days a week is absolutely draining all my resources.

I did what you’re doing for three and a half years. I was so depressed I had thoughts of suicide and cried in a fast food parking lot on my lunch break. I’ll never accept a long commute again. It broke me.
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