Isn't it kind of depressing that it's virtually and effectively impossible for anyone to replicate a comparable success story like this in 2024, short of maybe being a billionaire nepo baby?
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Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
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Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Every human being, man or woman, has unique challenges. Have you faced sex based discrimination, intimidation or othering in your workplace? > ignores the vast and more important majority of an individual's fitness The issue is that the capacity of women is backgrounded to the point that they have to do more to be seen as talented as their male counterparts. I'm sure every woman in tech would love to focus on skill…
Women are kicking ass because they kick ass, not because men are "helping" by viewing them as disabled. Ask any successful woman if she needs your help. Lol. Individuality is more important than your labeling by a huge margin.
Recognising and actively working to dismantle issues of systemic bias against women isn't viewing women as disabled.
I've spoken with many women about this and volunteered alongside many others on various projects aiming to help tackle these issues such as Women in Tech Netherlands. The women I've encountered have universally recognised the importance of allyship. Who are the women you spoke with who laughed?
You can read about that's importance of allyship here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/women-tech-why-allyship-impor...
You might disagree with what she says but you'll struggle you convince me that I should give more weight to your views on this than the actual women involved.
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
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... and yet you've heard of Adam Osborne.
Does he have a building at MIT named after him?
How about a namesake effect?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
(Note Steve Jobs used the Osborne effect to promote the Mac at the expense of Apple's own Lisa.)
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women are kicking ass because they kick ass, not because men are "helping" by viewing them as disabled. Ask any successful woman if she needs your help. Lol. Individuality is more important than your labeling by a huge margin.
Recognising and actively working to dismantle issues of systemic bias against women isn't viewing women as disabled. I've spoken with many women about this and volunteered alongside many others on various projects aiming to help tackle these issues such as Women in Tech Netherlands. The women I've encountered have universally recognised the importance of allyship. Who are the women you spoke with who laughed? You can…
Your daughter isn't "women." My commentary isn't about changing the world. It's about providing the practical tools for individual success. Focusing on individual advantages, rationally and with careful planning, produces results. Their sex isn't really something to focus on when compared with the majority of other hurdles having a dramatically larger impact in their life. They should focus on things they can act on if you want them to be successful.
My mother retired in the 2000's earning more than 2M / yr running her own business. That's net, not gross. A single mother of two. My earliest memories are in a homeless shelter. It's not a competition to know someone. While not a woman, I earn in the top 1%. I credit my mom for that.
It's obvious that people who focus on what's in their control, tend to produce results.
Ally groups are great for networking. It's just not what I'm talking about.
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#155In case anyone wondered, here you can see the manual for one of their machines' video cards (I am not sure where it fits in their range). http://www.s100computers.com/Hardware%20Manuals/Vector%20Gra... Sadly both the display technology and the graphics memory are raster. I was hoping it would be something like the Vectrex or the Imlac.
My funniest Vector 3 repair was a client running Memorite (for lawyers a kick ass word processor for its time, think daisywheel monospace Courier/Elite printers) where the spelling of words flipped 'off by 2 letters' on the display as they edited. I knew the mapping for the S-100 memory card by heart and all the memory chips were in sockets, so I was able to go right to the chip in question and re-seat it to show them it ended the problem. Then I re-seated them all. Great work for a 16 year old!
Thanks, that PDF is a trip down memory lane. Display memory was indeed coming from 0hE000-0hFFFF. I taught myself Z80 from the Vector 3 manual. The whole BIOS source code with comments!
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Every human being, man or woman, has unique challenges. And many people get heaped additional challenges by virtue of their birth group - challenges that are commonly supplied by people whose birth group started at the lowest difficulty level.
Yes. Including homelessness, disease, religious background, language, distance from an opportunity, nationality, sexual orientation, financial stability of their parents, lack of lottery winnings or inheritance, mental acuity or lack there of, mental disorder, physical deformity, and indeed sex. And combinations of those and etc.'s that I didn't think of. Everyone has countless reasons to fail. Sex is by far among th…
> Sex is by far among the smallest of those reasons.
By smallest you mean over 50% of the population.
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
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It's almost as if Apple went under in 1982 and all Steve Jobs ever did after that was remarry well.
... and yet you've heard of Adam Osborne.
the only "Osborne" I can think of off the top of my head is the fictional Norman Osborne (aka the Green Goblin) [and I guess to be fair his equally fictional son Harry Osborne]
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Including homelessness, disease, religious background, language, distance from an opportunity, nationality, sexual orientation, financial stability of their parents, lack of lottery winnings or inheritance, mental acuity or lack there of, mental disorder, physical deformity, and indeed sex. And combinations of those and etc.'s that I didn't think of. Everyone has countless reasons to fail. Sex is by far among th…
> Sex is by far among the smallest of those reasons. By smallest you mean over 50% of the population.
Yes, exactly. And therefore it has the least impact on the individual.
Giving everyone a dollar is the same as giving no one a dollar. -Econ 101
Compare that with say, severe anxiety, inability to take tests, low IQ. Or even just lack of interview experience, and never asking for a raise.
These last two dramatically affect income and are true of a strikingly large number of women compared with men.[1]
Is it possible that women aren't asking for raises because everyone keeps telling them that they need "special" help (implied inferiority)? That they won't get raises, so why bother?
I think it's a factor. I think your argument, while well intentioned, might be causal in preventing women's success.
[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/women-are-still-not-a...
Re: Lore Harp McGovern built a microcomputer empire from her suburban home
#159I do believe there are unique challenges to being a woman in tech, but the odds seem in favor of women doing well both back in the 70's and today with todays stats having roughly 20% of CS grads being female while some 23% of SWEs are female. That suggests there are more women in software jobs than women who have been pursing that career academically. What stats do you see that suggest the odds are against women in t…
Can you see that you've completely dismissed the lived experiences of many many women, brushing them aside with whatever statistics you could find? And what do those statistics show, only that women are vastly under-represented in work and education. There's very heavy cultural reasons for that and your comment actually feels reflective of them.
This is you a couple of posts later:
>This is called whataboutery.
He brought up the plight of another group, and you're saying, "What about women?"
I'm sure your goals are pure, and you really want to help women, but you're studying schools of thought that serve to dismantle your efforts.
A solution that treats one group as lesser than another will never be free from hypocrisy, just as it is not free from it here.
Fair for only me isn't fair. No one thinks so. Think about it.