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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #145
cjk2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both my father and my mother got their banks ripped off by keyloggers on both an android handset and a windows computer separate occasions. They have been divorced for 30 years and do not even live near or speak to each other. The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS.

That sounds terrible indeed, I'm sorry to hear that, but anecdotes don't make a statistic. For example my parents had always been tech illiterate android and windows users and never got hacked or robbed online. >The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS. BS. If a resourceful and motivated actor wants to phish your credentials they can do it even if you use iOS as well. They can call you and impersonate yo…

Have you actually seen how a wide-open computing device looks like in regular person's hands?! Those IE instances full of "punch the monkey" toolbars were not just a meme, you know.

I moved my family from Windows to Linux and then iPads as soon as I could. I still encounter hacks (iOS's calendar for some reason is vulnerable to appointments from spam emails) but it's incomparable to how it was before.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by ktosobcy »

robertfall wrote: post #132
ktosobcy wrote: post #124

> Currently, the new version of AltStore is deep in Apple’s approval process and will be ready to go live once it gets the thumbs up from the company. I do hope that EU will push harder and we will be able to install anything we want (even alternative stores) without blessing from greedy mega-corp...

What I don't understand is why people keep using Apple? There are already platforms that allow this. Use them!

I do... because of those reasons. But it leads to monopoly (oligopoly) basically where your choice is false in the ens .

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by txs »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #149
robertfall wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand is why people keep using Apple? There are already platforms that allow this. Use them!

I don't get what your problem is. Nobody is forcing you to use alternative app stores on iOS. Just stick to the official Apple one and nothing will change for you. Why do you wish a worse experience on others when you're not impacted by the new changes? For example I would love to use Apple, IF, they were more open and less hostile. So they're loosing potential customers by being stuck-up and stubborn.

The fear is that we will be impacted. E.g. Whatsapp is required to meaningfully engage with many social activities and communities in Europe. If Whatsapp decides to switch entirely to an alternative app store, I have no choice but to follow. And as a result, I'm no longer protected by the Apple app store's security measures (feeble as they may be.)

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

txs wrote: post #153
Rinzler89 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get what your problem is. Nobody is forcing you to use alternative app stores on iOS. Just stick to the official Apple one and nothing will change for you. Why do you wish a worse experience on others when you're not impacted by the new changes? For example I would love to use Apple, IF, they were more open and less hostile. So they're loosing potential customers by being stuck-up and stubborn.

The fear is that we will be impacted. E.g. Whatsapp is required to meaningfully engage with many social activities and communities in Europe. If Whatsapp decides to switch entirely to an alternative app store, I have no choice but to follow. And as a result, I'm no longer protected by the Apple app store's security measures (feeble as they may be.)

Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there. There's no Whatsapp app store. Actually very very few Android users (mostly techies and enthusiasts) use any alternative app store. The vast majority only use the Google Play Store.

So why would you automatically assume the sky will be falling on iOS the moment that happens wen there's no proof to draw such conclusions? Why not wait and see what happens before panicking just because of apple's scaremongering tactics to protect their cash cow?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #154
txs wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fear is that we will be impacted. E.g. Whatsapp is required to meaningfully engage with many social activities and communities in Europe. If Whatsapp decides to switch entirely to an alternative app store, I have no choice but to follow. And as a result, I'm no longer protected by the Apple app store's security measures (feeble as they may be.)

Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there. There's no Whatsapp app store. Actually very very few Android users (mostly techies and enthusiasts) use any alternative app store. The vast majority only use the Google Play Store. So why would you automatically assume the sky will be falling on iOS the moment that happens wen there's no proof to draw such conclusions? Why not wait a…

> Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there.

That's because developers don't care about android. There's not enough money to push an alternative App Store for the amount of work it takes.

Now that apple was forced to do it, now consumers are pretty much screwed if they want to use an app and care about privacy.

Just like when Apple opened up payments, it was never about "consumer freedom", it was "corporate freedom" to make it as hard as possible to cancel your subscription" and "corporate freedom" to profile your subscriptions to sell you more.

Just like how opening up wallet will just end in making banks richer and the user experience worse. Do you people actually think these poor multinational banks needed the government to help them because they couldn't compete? Man you are gullible.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #145
cjk2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both my father and my mother got their banks ripped off by keyloggers on both an android handset and a windows computer separate occasions. They have been divorced for 30 years and do not even live near or speak to each other. The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS.

That sounds terrible indeed, I'm sorry to hear that, but anecdotes don't make a statistic. For example my parents had always been tech illiterate android and windows users and never got hacked or robbed online. >The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS. BS. If a resourceful and motivated actor wants to phish your credentials they can do it even if you use iOS as well. They can call you and impersonate yo…

It is a statistic, why else do you think iOS is as locked down as it is, and Android is doing the same thing? You are assuming competence where there is none. Do you honestly think the average person knows how to use a smartphone? That they will take time out of their day to know what the things they are pressing are actually doing?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

overstay8930 wrote: post #156
Rinzler89 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there. There's no Whatsapp app store. Actually very very few Android users (mostly techies and enthusiasts) use any alternative app store. The vast majority only use the Google Play Store. So why would you automatically assume the sky will be falling on iOS the moment that happens wen there's no proof to draw such conclusions? Why not wait a…

> Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there. That's because developers don't care about android. There's not enough money to push an alternative App Store for the amount of work it takes. Now that apple was forced to do it, now consumers are pretty much screwed if they want to use an app and care about privacy. Just like when Apple opened up payments, it was never about "consu…

>That's because developers don't care about android. There's not enough money to push an alternative App Store for the amount of work it takes.

Impressive how you managed to write to consecutive false statement in a single paragraph.

>Man you are gullible.

And you are mistaken.

Please provide some sources or arguments instead of attacking others and spreading false claims.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

overstay8930 wrote: post #157
Rinzler89 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds terrible indeed, I'm sorry to hear that, but anecdotes don't make a statistic. For example my parents had always been tech illiterate android and windows users and never got hacked or robbed online. >The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS. BS. If a resourceful and motivated actor wants to phish your credentials they can do it even if you use iOS as well. They can call you and impersonate yo…

It is a statistic, why else do you think iOS is as locked down as it is, and Android is doing the same thing? You are assuming competence where there is none. Do you honestly think the average person knows how to use a smartphone? That they will take time out of their day to know what the things they are pressing are actually doing?

>It is a statistic

Where? Can you share it?

>Android is doing the same thing

Where? Last time I checked I can still install adblockers outside of Google Play Store.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by sofixa »

nickpp wrote: post #90
seszett wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's funny that Apple is condemned here for applying inside their own platform the exact same strategy the EU is applying inside its tech market. The EU is a regulatory body and a union of democratic sovereign states. There is no comparison to be had whatsoever with a multinational for-profit company.

I actually live in the EU. We (the citizens) have zero control over that regulatory body. ZERO. None of those represent me and I have no way of influencing them in any way. While multinational companies?! I can actually stop being their customer and vote with my wallet. Much more democratic, IMHO.

> I actually live in the EU. We (the citizens) have zero control over that regulatory body. ZERO. None of those represent me and I have no way of influencing them in any way.

Start here: https://elections.europa.eu/en/

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