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Re: Plagiarism

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Post by rhizome »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #92
zeedotme wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes I appreciate many of you agree a quote should have been included rather than an attempted rewrite. I agree, that would have been better. However, calling us out for plagiarism does feel far too extreme when the updated piece clearly states the source of the facts. The original piece only included links without a name and that I agree is 100% wrong. I hadn't seen that original piece before we were called out on tw…

They are calling you out for plagiarism because your company is a plagiarist. It's just as clear as seeing a person who is burning and telling them that they are on fire, or a person who is dead and calling them deceased. You do not have the right to lift entire articles from other's sites, even if you DO give attribution. If you as CEO have so little common sense that you don't even know what plagiarism is, then you…

Seems odd that he could become CEO of a publishing company without knowing what plagiarism is.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by nikcub »

davidw wrote: post #123
nikcub wrote: post #119

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The equivalent would be cutting the credits off a movie and replacing them with release group name and scene shoutouts.

The point being, whenever there is an article about "piracy" - being this sort of generic, "victimless" action (say "crime" and people will really go apeshit on you) - and people fall over themselves to defend it, say it's not a problem, indicate that it's just a symptom and fuck the content people if they can't deal, and so on. It's interesting that when it's just one person with their own story, that is somehow clo…

These are two separate issues. They have only become confused because the MPAA/RIAA insists on referring to piracy as 'copyright theft' when it is not. Plagiarism and copyright theft (in the real, classic, sense) has always been a criminal offense.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by slantyyz »

derleth wrote: post #136
slantyyz wrote: post #111

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Maybe we can start by not referring to a lot of tech blogs as journalism. Some are, but most aren't - including many that would like us to think they are.

Then we'd have to stop referring to a lot of what goes on TV, radio, and in the newspapers as journalism.

Agree with that too!

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by zeedotme »

jacquesm wrote: post #146
zeedotme wrote: post #142

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we have a strict policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. If it does, and it really shouldn't have beyond a year ago (when we really clamped down on it with our authors)... we fix it. If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. But I assure you that this "care free" image you might have of us when it comes to posting other peoples i…

You really don't get it do you? > If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. I'm sure it does. But the point is that you should ensure through process and not through policy that you do not end up with other people's stuff on your site without attribution or compensation. The fact that you'll take it down to avoid further damage is not enou…

We do have processes AND policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. But it can still happen unintentionally and when it does, we react activity and proactively.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by pbreit »

zeedotme wrote: post #9

Update: see this comment on HN. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3972875 Zee from TNW here. Someone has to explain to me exactly what we should have done differently here. I honestly have absolutely no idea what we should have done differently here to illustrate an interesting fact with our readers and reference the original source (we did that twice in the article...even with his full name (a screenshot of which…

Pretty obvious: 1) if you're going to copy a story, try to re-word it a bit and 2) when you get caught, apologize, make the changes, provide some credit to the original author and don't be a jerk.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by Mz »

chc wrote: post #137
Mz wrote: post #129

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Unfortunately, in this case, the typos reinforce the idea this person is fundamentally disrespectful. Given that his comments here are part of a PR campaign, he should be taking more care with them in order to make the right impression. I go by Michele -- with one L. It is my actual middle name. People routinely misspell it with two L's. Sometimes they realize it and apologize for the error. I have found that how som…

Sure, I agree, there are lots of aspects of his public persona that he could stand to work on. It doesn't make calling out typos less petty or more interesting. The difference between "Person makes harmless typo" and "Person I don't like makes harmless typo" is in your emotions, not in the substance of the comment.

That isn't my point. My point is that when someone is upset with you, attention to such details matter. He appears to not even be trying. It looks very likely that he is either a social nitwit who should appoint someone else to handle his PR or guilty of the degree of disrepect of which he is accused.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by [deleted] »

tomasien wrote: post #57

This isn't plagiarism. It's laughable to say that it was, they cited him. I know this is an insanely simple comment that will lead people to think I didn't read this conversation or really think about this topic, but I did. And it's not. The internet is ridiculous sometimes.

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Re: Plagiarism

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Post by drewblaisdell »

zeedotme wrote: post #154
jacquesm wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don't get it do you? > If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. I'm sure it does. But the point is that you should ensure through process and not through policy that you do not end up with other people's stuff on your site without attribution or compensation. The fact that you'll take it down to avoid further damage is not enou…

We do have processes AND policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. But it can still happen unintentionally and when it does, we react activity and proactively.

This was not unintentional, though. The writer clearly took a screenshot of someone else's work and made no effort to even credit work that should not have been used in the first place.

Re: Plagiarism

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Post by scott_s »

droithomme wrote: post #121
scott_s wrote: post #13

Yes, you were plagiarized. TheNextWeb was in the wrong, and they made it worse by their reaction. But I also feel that the main insights of your posts were not your own. They were that of the NY Times reporter Michael M. Grynbaum. That is, I feel the main insight of your post were two things: the doubling of tips, and the attribution of this to the buttons on the credit-card machine. Your contribution was to look up…

I think you bring up a reasonable point: that the forced tipping system with no values below 20% was previously discussed in other articles such as that of Grynbaum from January 8, 2012: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/nyregion/new-nyc-livery-ca... In fact it's not a secret at all since New Yorkers and those visiting the city are quite acquainted with the system, it's no secret, so I am not sure Mr. Grynbaum is a r…

I felt that the NY Times article by Grynbaum clearly covers the idea that cabbies are pulling in more tips because of the default tip buttons on the credit card machines.
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